Poll: Nearly half don't care who controls Congress

Who cares which party controls Congress? Only about half of Americans. The other 46 percent, not so much, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll.
AP Wire
May 26, 2014

Ask people whom they would rather see in charge on Capitol Hill, and Republicans finish in a dead heat with "doesn't matter."

Democrats fare only a little better: 37 percent would prefer their leadership, compared with 31 percent each for the GOP and whatever.

"I've never really noticed any difference in my life depending on which party is in," said Bob Augusto, 39, an oil refinery worker in Woodstown, New Jersey. He doesn't expect to vote in this fall's midterm election.

Nationally, Democrats have gained a modest edge since the previous AP-GfK poll in March, but it's not because people are liking them more. Support for Democratic leadership stayed essentially unchanged in the new poll, while Republicans lost some ground to the idea that it makes no difference who wins this November.

"I think that in general people who are in Congress and people who have enough money to run for Congress are only in it for themselves," said Jill Narushof, 52, a mother of two and part-time math tutor in Albuquerque, New Mexico, who says she'll vote but hasn't decided for whom. "I don't see very many who are really interested in serving."

Parts of the poll bode well for the GOP.

Republicans, whose party has successfully deployed its House majority to block President Barack Obama's policies, are significantly more likely than either Democrats or independents to value control of Congress. And their base is more excited, too: Conservative Republicans are more concerned about party control than liberal Democrats are.

With Republicans making a strong push to seize control of the Senate, only a slim majority of Americans, 53 percent, say they care a good deal about which party wins.

A vast majority appear united around one thing: They're fed up. Nearly 9 out of 10 disapprove of Congress. Two-thirds want their current representative voted out, the AP-GfK poll shows.

And most — 56 percent — disapprove of the way Obama is doing his job.

Still, history suggests most people won't go to the polls to decide who runs Congress during the last two years of a presidency marked by remarkably bitter standoffs between the two political parties. Midterm elections usually draw about 40 percent of eligible voters.

Most incumbents won't face a serious threat for re-election. The Republican Party is widely expected to keep control of the House. A handful of hot races are likely to determine whether Republicans take the Senate away from Obama's party.

Because contests for the House and Senate are fought district by district and state by state, and only a third of Senate seats are involved in this year's election, nationwide polls are of limited utility in predicting who will take the legislative majorities.

Overall, those who care a good deal about party control are evenly split between the Democrats and the Republicans. More than 8 in 10 of these people say they always or nearly always vote.

People who say it doesn't matter so much are nearly twice as likely to be Democrats as Republicans, and they skew younger. Their indifference to the national stakes doesn't necessarily mean they will all stay home on Election Day: 4 out of 10 say they usually go to the polls.

A big majority of political independents fall into this whatever group.

Nick Crider, a Princeton, New Jersey, chemist who co-founded his own biotechnology company, says he's lost faith in the major parties and doesn't care which wins.

"I feel like rhetorically it makes a difference, but in actual politics and policy? Not really," said Crider, 25, whose politics run libertarian.

"If I don't know much about the people running in a race, I just always vote against the incumbent," he said. "I assume change is good."

The AP-GfK Poll was conducted May 16-19 using KnowledgePanel, GfK's probability-based online panel designed to be representative of the U.S. population. It involved online interviews with 1,354 adults and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points for all respondents.

Respondents were first selected randomly using phone or mail survey methods and were later interviewed online. People selected for KnowledgePanel who didn't otherwise have access to the Internet were provided with the ability to access the Internet at no cost to them.

Comments

Straightjacket

People are finally waking up it makes no difference. Republicans and democrats are a charade representing a choice but in actuality they are the same puppet with a different color. People think they are selecting a better party but its like buying a maytag or fridgedaire they are both whirlpool. These two parties have bickered over Social security and healthcare for 60 year with no solution. What can you do for 60 years and be a failure at? Be a politician. Democrats act like your friend but steal your money the same as a republican. Republicans everyone thinks are rich and greedy but they are no more rich and greedy than the democrats but they don't lie about it.

SCH39339

Agreed.

zwesterhouse

Agree 100%. It just gets so disgusting that when a person gets elderly they keep sending that property tax bill. My question is what in the heck for? We have been in the information age for years now. We know everyone will get old and cannot pay anymore - so why do they keep sending that dam tax bill?

Lanivan

If you continue to own a home, regardless of age, you will pay property taxes that encompass school taxes. If you don't like this arrangement, sell your house and rent. Or buy a small house/condo in an area with less property taxes.

skyking007

I agree that in the past it did not make much difference what party was in control of the White House or congress. They used to compromise and the country was run from the middle...... Now with the Republican/ T-party there is no compromise. The middleclass is losing and American freedom is at stake. America is on it's way to become Just like the middle eastern countries, ruled by extremists and the uncaring rich.

Mystic Michael

All the disgust with the dysfunction in Congress actually plays right into Republican hands. It's a key part of an incredibly cynical strategy to win the Congress, and to control the government, by default.

Remember, Republicans are the party of "government doesn't work". As soon as they obtain a majority - in either house of Congress, and/or capture the Presidency - they set out to "accomplish" precisely that: To make damn certain that it WON'T work! It's always easier to destroy than it is to build.

Typical apathetic, low-information American voters - people like Straightjacket - can at least see the constant state of turmoil and the low rate of productivity...and many immediately jump to the unqualified conclusion that "government is broke", or that "government doesn't work". They thereby "justify" their laziness and their ignorance by claiming "it doesn't matter, so I don't care anymore". And they refuse to participate. And that's exactly what Republicans want - because when the great majority of moderate, reasonable Americans don't show up to stop them, then the relatively small number of hardcore, right-wing zealots - the people who ALWAYS vote - can have an outsized effect upon elections, even a decisive effect.

And then we get more of the kinds of policies that have been dragging our country down for more than 30 years: more out-of-control Pentagon spending; even more tax loopholes for giant corporations; more corporate welfare for wealthy, powerful corporations; more laws to restrict the EPA; the SEC and the FDA from doing their jobs to protect the American people; even more attempts to gut the social safety net; even more attempts to jam fracking down the throats of families and small communities; even more attempts to destroy the hard-won collective bargaining rights of workers; more voter suppression laws, more attacks on public education, and more attacks on the rights of women.

Does it matter who controls the Congress? You bet it does! The reason it may sometimes SEEM that it doesn't matter is because of Democrats selling out their supposed values, and selling out their constituents, for money.

Do I fault the Republicans for failing to live up to their true values? Though they lose major points for hypocrisy, because they'll never admit their actual agenda, I do give them points for following through on what they ACTUALLY believe - as toxic and corrupt as that is.

It's the Democrats who more often fail to live up to their core values.

Wingmaster

Who has had control of the Senate and House for most of the last 100 years? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uni...

Does it matter who controls the Congress? You bet it does, we do not want a bunch of sell outs controlling the purse strings and the security of our country!

Thanks for clearing this up for us MM.

Harry Kovaire

These aren't the facts we're looking for. Move along.

Mystic Michael

The Democrat sell-outs have been functioning just like Republicans - THAT's the essential problem. At least some of them are capable of being shamed, humiliated, cornered, and/or pressured into doing the right thing - because at the end of the day, they're still Democrats, and they have a Democratic constituency that will demand it of them - IF they will pay attention, stay engaged...and ACT!

Then of course, there are the good Democrats. People like Elizabeth Warren, and Ed Markey, and Sheldon Whitehouse, and Jeff Merkley, and George Miller, and Barbara Lee, and Elijah Cummings, and John Lewis - for whom there exists no counterparts in the Republican Party.

The Republicans have proven themselves to be a lost cause. With their gerrymandered House districts, they can be as extreme as they want to, and as unresponsive to the needs of the vast majority of Americans as they want to. They've insulated themselves from the political pressure to which the Democrats are always subject. So much for representative democracy.

Harry Kovaire

I'd bet those Koch Brothers are behind it. They usually are.

Lanivan

I think the real problem is that we are not speaking the same language.

Speaking Benghazi Can Distract From Any Meaningful Conversation [Fiore Cartoon]........http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/...

owell

The M&M New Yorker with the built in nut.

Straightjacket

MM should clear himself from the fog for better clarity. I actually voted for Obama embarrassed to say so but true. He sold me on that Hope and Change platform. I forgot the lies and promises that make up politicians in hope of a better world. What did we get, more troops in Afganistan, bailouts for huge banks, not a single banker sent to jail, dead diplomats in Benghazi, increased taxes to support his ACA, finger pointing at republicans, Hollywood parties and rock concerts at the White House and selfies of his face everywhere like he's so cool. Now what exactly is different from a democrat and a republican? The fog is clearing wait wait,,,, nothing.

Mystic Michael

I took a bit of a personal shot at you, which was uncalled for. For that I apologize.

That said, I too have my issues with President Obama. He's not made any serious attempt to prosecute any of the Wall Street crooks who made off with billions of investor and consumer dollars, virtually scot-free. He's way too soft on the insurance industry. And don't even get me started on his advocacy for the vast would-be corporate power grab called the "Trans-Pacific Partnership" (TPP)!

On the other hand, and to be fair, he saved the global economy from spinning into a worldwide depression, he rescued the US auto industry, he reformed a corrupt healthcare delivery system that routinely sacrificed human life in exchange for corporate profits (lookin' for "death panels"? Their names are Aetna and Cigna and Humana), and much more. Why does he get no credit from you for any of that?

But you actually raise a good point: When Democrats behave like Republicans, how are the voters supposed to understand the difference? It's the very point that we progressive Democrats have constantly been making to corporate Democrats - without much success.

As for the rest of it, are you seriously criticizing Obama...for not cleaning up George Bush's war mess quickly enough? Or for losing four Americans in Benghazi - when it was the House Republicans who voted to deny the State Department budget request for increased embassy/consulate security - and George Bush lost many times that number of Americans in embassy/consulate attacks throughout his eight years? Or for (horror of horrors!) actually hosting entertainment events at the White House? Something that Nixon and Ford and Reagan and Bushes I & II NEVER did...(Wait. They did). Or for...selfies? Really? Is that what it's come to? That he's hated...because you think he's trying to be "cool"? What is this? Are we back in junior high school now?

As for Obama's finger pointing at the Republicans, yeah, that's silly...BECAUSE IT'S INEFFECTIVE! What the Republicans really need is to be taken out behind the barn for a good whuppin'! At least that might actually get their attention.

I'll admit: For a moment there, you really had me going. I thought you might actually be a serious person. For a moment.

Straightjacket

Apology accepted I find you mutually dissapointing.

Lanivan

If you are going to insult someone, please make sure your spelling is correct.....(disappointing). Kinda ruins the effect.

Michael Johnson

As an educator, this is one of the single most frustrating things I encounter when discussing current events, civic involvement, etc.: virtually no sense of engagement, no belief in one's ability to effect change in this country, no involvement - practically or intellectually - at a local, state, or federal level. The self-defeating rhetoric that dictates "no difference" really just amounts to an excuse not to engage - there is no logical way to prove that LACK of involvement is better than becoming engaged and realizing that everyone has a vested interest. If you do not like the current leadership, vote for those you DO believe in, no matter what the party or affiliation. Get involved. Write letters. Call your representative when you agree or disagree with his or her message.

It's time to reinstate mandatory required civics courses in our school curriculum at an early age. Perhaps then the defeatist attitude will fade and the toxic politics of the uncompromising will be revealed as the true curse preventing progress. We get the government we deserve, fellow citizens. If we haven't EARNED better, perhaps WE'RE the ones not working hard enough.

Harry Kovaire

Excellent points and I share your frustration. At the risk of appearing as a defeatist, I do wonder if it can be remedied now.

The civic process simply doesn't work anymore as I was taught. When citizens group to pass legislation or referendum, they are routinely overturned by activist judges. Federal institutions are now used as political weapons against dissenters and regulatory agencies regularly overstep their jurisdiction without fear. We are ruled by a Leviathan bureaucracy that exists to serve itself without regard to the wishes of the people. We have been trained to be apathetic and dependent.

I believe it is all part of the natural order of things though. In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinborough, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

Vladtheimp

Unfortunately, I agree with you, based on the analysis of an 1887 academic; I also agree with Michael Johnson. However, in my view the intellectual laziness is encouraged by today's education establishment which is completely supported by left-wing elements in our society and, of course, the Federal education bureaucracy. With all the tax dollars that have been thrown at education, one would anticipate we would be rewarded by a renaissance in learning and intellectual curiosity and rigor - instead we have poor test results but children who have been so steeped in unwarranted self-esteem building that they actually believe they are superior to children educated in other systems, and indeed this system, who kick their butts regularly on standardized testing. What could better symbolize this arrogance, this stupidity, this vapidness than Obama declaring:

"Obama had always had a high estimation of his ability to cast and run his operation. When David Plouffe, his campaign manager, first interviewed for a job with him in 2006, the senator gave him a warning: “I think I could probably do every job on the campaign better than the people I’ll hire to do it,” he said. “It’s hard to give up control when that’s all I’ve known.” Obama said nearly the same thing to Patrick Gaspard, whom he hired to be the campaign’s political director. “I think I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters,” Obama told him. “I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.” http://www.nationalreview.com/ca...

Capped off with "We are the ones we have been waiting for." It would be funny if it weren't resulting in the very real destruction of our economy, our standing in the world, our national character, and the individualism that made us great.

As for the Socialists like the Mystical One, who laments that the non-Communist Democrats are ruining things for the "real" Democrats, he undoubtedly has a huge grin on his face knowing how much the leftists have won in such a short time. See the Communist Goals from 1963 http://www.freerepublic.com/focu...

If there is any escaping from the fate predicted by the esteemed professor Alexander Tyler, it must start with each one of us - we are in charge of our own rights, our schools, our wallets, our environment, our religion, the determination of what is fair, what should be given to folks who refuse to work, not the government or its handmaiden, the media. A good place to start would be to throw out Common Core and bring the schools back under State and local control. Another good start would be to critically examine the bilge put out into the public by left-wing zealots and apologists - as a Nation, we prospered very well without them for over 200 years; when there were injustices they were corrected to the best of our ability on a bi-partisan basis within the laws of our Constitutional Republic, as opposed to a President acting like some tin-horn dictator of a failed Banana Republic. Compare our history with the history of any other society - AT THE SAME TIME IN HISTORY - Natural Rights- check! Individual Rights - Check! Freedom of Speech - Check! Due Process-Check! Right to Vote-Check!Civil War to abolish slavery-Check! Two World Wars to preserve freedom - Check! Try comparing us with the darlings of the Left - Cuba, Communist China, North Korea, Russia, any Moslem country, any African country, any other country of our size and diversity, and yes, the European countries who are tearing themselves apart over the big government failure of the European Union, over uncontrolled immigration, under the failures of the socialist economic policies.

Straightjacket

Brilliant I hope Mistake Mike can understand. I know now I understand Progressive Democrats equal Socialists brainwashed and living off the backs of others. It's going to be hard to encourage a concept like hard work returns rewards when they get it for free. Oh well lets see what happens.

Mystic Michael

On the basis of his latest rant, Vlad "You Kids Get Off My Lawn!" The Imp appears to still be stuck in Cold War 1954 - not in 2014. Meanwhile you, who seem to be immersed in some kind of Norman Rockwell fantasy world, apparently have bought into practically every simplistic, tired-out conservative shibboleth and platitude in the John Bircher lexicon. Clearly you guys have got nothin' but the usual empty rhetoric and vacuous talking points that are almost completely divorced from actual events in the real world. It would be hilarious...if it wasn't so downright lame.

Vlad pontificates as if conservatives can lay claim to all that is righteous and wholesome in the world...which apparently means that progressives must be the evil meanies who want to take it all away. It's like the cheesy plot line from a children's cartoon - a really crude and poorly-produced cartoon - and you're actually gullible enough to think that it's "brilliant".

At a time in our nation's history when the wealthiest 5% of Americans control nearly five times as much wealth as the poorest 80% of us - and it's becoming more lopsided every single day; when the wealthiest 25 American mega-corporations now pay nearly no income tax whatsoever; when the Wall Street banks and defense corporations have siphoned off unprecedented trillions from the public treasury into private hands - and offshore accounts; and our very government itself has been captured and controlled by corporate interests as never before, all you guys have got to offer is, "don't expect any handouts", "hard work never killed anybody", and "Communism! Communism!" - as if it had any relevance to the actual issues of the day.

I have cited the factual wealth disparity statistics to Vlad before. He absolutely refuses to even acknowledge them - probably because acknowledging that degree of reality would undermine the very premise of his ideology. And we can't have the real world intruding on that, now can we?

I leave you with a gem of a quote from my man, President Thomas Jefferson:

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

Wingmaster

Don't care to take on the facts of who has controlled the Senate and House for most of the last 100 years! Talk about being divorced from actual events and facts! Your "sellout" answer demonstrates how intellectually dishonest you are! Easier to just talk down other posters with snarky responses instead of being in honest.

So because your so good at throwing out shiny objects and not responding, lets try this response to your above shiny object and then you can again educate us about your true elitist positions:
Poor are poor because they can be. Not all, but many are making an easy decision because the government makes it easy.

http://townhall.com/columnists/j...

The U.S. fiscal system penalizes lower-income households that should be given incentives to work more hours for additional income. This from the attached link "Does it pay to work?" The system is punitive for anyone that wants to work more to get ahead! Some are just taught personal responsibility by parents better than others.

So in the face of constant government over reach into their pockets they keep plugging away at it. This causes the class divisions we see in this country...I hate you because you are rich...I hate you because you are sucking off the system and my tax dollars! I vote for you because you are trying to take away from the rich.....I vote for you because you are trying to reduce government dependance and reduce taxes.

And so it goes in these "United" States these days. If I may repost from Harry Kovaire:

"From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

Where do you see us on this time line? Before you answer think long and hard as I will take you to task and expose your elitism even more!

"Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude."-Thomas Jefferson

Lanivan

Feel better now, dear Vlad? What a waste of rhetorical verbiage, lacking all discernment or sense of history. You apparently want to turn the pages back to the 30's, 40's and 50's. The country you speak of didn't actually exist, however. American Exceptionalism is a state of mind, a belief in the ability of a geographically and societal diverse community of people who have the desire and the hunger to make their individual world a better place. It is not static, but lives and breathes within the time period of any given moment, looking different as time marches on.

My grandparents did not build an inside bathroom onto their house until 1947. Poor farmers, they lived hand to mouth off the land, and birthed 8 children, raising 6, in a big old farmhouse heated with coal and wood, and a water pump in the mudroom off the kitchen. My mother had to stay home her senior year in high school to take care of her very sick mother, and then had to work as a nanny in town in order to graduate a year later - no buses or way to get to school otherwise. After they married, my father built their first house, and for the first three years they had only an outhouse, my sister being born there as well under those conditions.

Please don't romanticize how it used to be. Sure - government was smaller, but life was very, very hard for the majority of Americans. Much of American Exceptionalism has to do with the fact that after WWII, while the rest of the world had to dig itself out of the massive, overwhelming rubble that was the post-war world, America could move forward, full steam ahead, spurred by the inventions, technologies, and spirit that was demanded of the country during the wars. Once the rest of the world caught up and became our competitors as well as our neighbors, the US could no longer hold competition-free preeminence in all categories.

Once again, I have to point out: You could be far more persuasive if you dropped the obsession of blaming all of society's ills of the last 200 years on Obama. You appear to be nothing but a deluded partisan sycophant, intellectually lazy, and a stubborn old curmudgeon.

Vladtheimp

I guess I should have expected a pushback that the United States of America is exceptional, coming from someone who thinks socialists can do better, regardless of history.

What the hell do you think I wrote about other than about your grandparents, your mother, your father, and mine? They lived difficult but privileged lives compared to the rest of the world at that time, and they succeeded because America permitted them to profit from their own drive; their own ambition; their desire that THEY would do what they could to improve the lives of their children and grandchildren rather than than depending on the government.

And WWII - what the heck are you talking about - we didn't need to get involved. We didn't get involved to save George Soros or the Koch Brothers - we got involved for selfless reasons (no matter the well founded idea that Roosevelt got us involved for his own reasons). Why do you deny the facts of history - that America was and will be exceptional, a shining light on the hill, as opposed to socialism, communism, Muslim fundamentalism, tribalism, etc.? Are you embarrassed or guilty that compared to the rest of the world we pretty much got it right?

And don't lecture me about the impact Obama has had on ordinary Americans - we all see it every day, and it ain't pretty. I guess I am a stubborn realist - maybe you don't know the definition of sycophant. Intellectually lazy - really? Maybe intellectually I disagree with your push to make America and Americans non-exceptional - just another mediocre society in the land of socialist mediocrity. I'm not into mediocrity or equality of outcomes that stifle exceptionalism - you're welcome to support that!!!

Lanivan

A few points:

1. You really need to quit with the labeling of anything or anyone who thinks differently than you as "socialists". You have thrown the word around enough that we all get that you believe your customized right wing view of the world is not only the best one, but it is the right one, and all others are not. Of course, I know a dog whistle when I see one, and this is one, - old, stale, and inaccurate to boot. Not to mention intellectually lazy.

2. My family lived a life of sacrifice, hard work, and a love of country. They were tough, resourceful, and independent, and their lifestyle mirrored many others of that time. But it is wrong to glorify their poverty and the very limited ways in which they could improve or enrich their lives by basing it on the degree of government in their lives. The growth of government during their lifetime as a change agent for the common good, for infrastructure, Social Security, Medicare, medical advancements, technological improvements in daily living - these government actions improved their lives immensely over the years, without taking anything away from them in terms of living the life they wanted.

3. What constitutes "depending on government"? Most people live their lives without depending on government to dictate to them how to do so. Most people depend on government when it comes to infrastructure, clean air and water, public utilities, corporate/financial oversight, environmental regulations, and public education. Of course there has been mismanagement by both political parties - but why do you deny the truth when the facts show that government growth has been greatest under Republican administrations? Could it be a form of....intellectual laziness?

4. WWII had a tremendous effect on America. It was a huge driver of post-war advancements, the rise of the middle class, global corporate power, and a period of relative income equality, and prosperity. Its far-reaching motivating influence can not be diminished. But life in America has never been without it's deep and painful rifts and struggles. Overcoming these struggles is what makes America great - and it's as much a mixed bag as the citizens of this country, with government and society, public and private, working together for the common good. I think you are embarrassed to admit that American Exceptionalism is the product of that partnership of government and society, and that the way it looks will change throughout the decades.

5. An intellectually honest mind would not continuously blame Obama - or any one individual or entity - for everything wrong with the country. It would recognize his and others' weaknesses and shortcomings, but put them into an historical context, with a willingness to see the broader picture, and how it all fits. The denial of that honesty is the basis of intellectual mediocrity, and the embrace of that mediocrity is the beginning of the end of American exceptionalism.

Tri-cities realist

5. Please apply your own advice to your constant rants about the Koch brothers. Thank you.

Lanivan

Odd that you would consider reams of facts, statistics, reports, studies, findings, and charts of Koch Bros dark money networks of influence to buy politicians and direct governments for their own self-interest only is a rant.

Actually, I find your odd refusal to face the facts and your subsequent requests, based on a fear of reality, to impinge on my right to free speech, to be a rant, in and of itself. I really don't understand why conservatives, who pay lip service to the ideals of being independent to make your own decisions, and being free from controls, embrace wholeheartedly, the octopus-like tendrils of the Koch Bros in every aspect of civilian life legislatively via ALEC, numerous think tanks, and superPACS that filter hundreds of millions of money - who knows where it comes from?

Looks like it's a wash-out.

Tri-cities realist

In case you missed it, I was referring to what you said "An intellectually honest mind would not continuously blame Obama - or any one individual or entity - for everything wrong with the country." Apparently you are not intellectually honest. Thank you for the clarification.

I would never want to impinge upon your right to free speech, your comments are too enlightening.

Lanivan

I am not now, nor have I ever, implied that the Koch Bros are responsible for everything wrong with the country. Through their actions, they have put themselves in a position of being under constant scrutiny - this is their choice, not mine. They are the ones investing $125 million on misleading and negative ads that simply tear down the other side - not word one on what makes this country great, or the positive things that conservatives stand for, or the important plans and proposals conservatives have to strengthen or promote the country.

I just pass on the facts behind their scorched earth campaign to subvert the Constitution, mislead the American public, and weaken government oversight, since they are among the top polluters in the country.

Mystic Michael

Game. Set. Match.

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