Obama opposes Michigan's right-to-work legislation

President Barack Obama has repeated his opposition to right-to-work laws as the Republican-controlled Michigan Legislature adopted the union-curbing measure.
AP Wire
Dec 7, 2012

The Michigan House and Senate voted Thursday to approve a bill barring unions from collecting mandatory fees from non-members. Republican Gov. Rick Snyder also endorsed it Thursday.

White House spokesman Matt Lehrich said Obama has long opposed right to work laws, "and he continues to oppose them now."

The spokesman said the president believes the economy "is stronger when workers get good wages and good benefits, and he opposes attempts to roll back their rights."

Lehrich said Michigan workers' role in helping reviving the U.S. auto industry shows "how unions have helped build a strong middle class and a strong American economy."

Comments

dgrissom

It's disappointing that Mr. Obama once again has attempted to interfere with the sovereignty of state rights in his latest show of support of his friends, the Union Bosses. This interference needs to stop now. Mr. Obama should do the job he was hired to do and address the looming Federal Budget Crisis. Michigan does not need nor want his opinion of her state laws.

pfpiper0

Obama is not interfering with the State's. If he was, he would block try to block it. Saying you do not agree with something is not interfering my friend. Obama's job he is hired to do, is get people back to work and have a healthy economy. This is what he is trying to make happen with a stronger middle class. You seem smart enough to understand this logic. You seem like a person who would disagree with everything Obama does.

RenegadeX

"You seem like a person who would disagree with everything Obama does." Which begs the question, so what? There is much for one to disagree with where this president is concerned. That one might disagree with everything he does ( in the implementation of policy that impacts the public) while interesting, seems illrelevant in a critique of a poster's submission.

pfpiper0

Do all you conservatives agree with how he has treated gun laws? Should he be tougher?

RenegadeX

The question at hand isn't about what he has or has not done related to the lawful ownership of firearms, though that seems more a state and local issue than a federal one. Whether the author disagrees with everything the president does or just half of it, is illrelevant. That's what I was discussing in relation to what you said.

BTL2A

Do anyone still believe..or ever believe...that the things Snyder does is for best interest of the people? Or to create jobs?

RenegadeX

Yes.

gh momma

Absolutely... that is what Right-to-work is all about... bringing jobs to Michigan! 100% in support!

lakeshore12

Snyder does nothing in the interest of the people... Only cares about his political agenda.

RenegadeX

The governor has stated he will sign legislation that will afford me options when choosing a work environment that is a fit for me. And the problem with that is?

ohwell

I ask BTL2A and lakeshore12 what has Obama done in the interest of the American people? He has spent more than any President in history. On what? Nothing more than entitlement programs for the lazy that don't feel they need to work and support themselves. Of course he is going to fight for the unions, where do you think all their union dues go? People are just a little upset they might actually have to work for their money, instead of having the union protect their lazy ways of working. Yes I have been in a union (more than one) and witnessed it.

BTL2A

Just because someone doesn't agree with Snyder doesn't automaticaly make them a supporter of obama. You response had nothing to do with my simple statement.
Do you really believe his intentions are to create jobs?

ohwell

Yes I do believe he is trying to create jobs. If a business owner has the choice between union and no union, they are going with no union. Unions have their place, but for the most part, they have outlived the original intentions.

RenegadeX

Yes

BTL2A

Eeveryone knows there are some people that are protected by unions that shouldn't be, but it works both ways. I've personally been let go from a small company because the owners friends kid was out of college and needed a job.
Do you think that is right?
A union would of protected that. There are some benefits to unions.

ohwell

No I do not agree with you getting let go. That is the owners choice and was not ethical one bit. Just a fact of life unfortunately.

SignalMaintainer

My company breaks both state and federal labor laws quite often, as well as put us in danger quite often as well (unfortunately OSHA has no jurisdiction over us). While most people in my profession are in a union and have it quite good, my particular company is not union. They get away with this crap on a daily basis, and there is not much we as employees can do (except find another job that pays near what I am making now, which is extremely hard in Michigan).

While I agree many unions have outlived their purpose, there are some professions where the corporations have absolutely no care for their employees, both financially and safety-wise.

Heck, I was recently required to drive my own personal car over 250 miles per day, for over two months with my own gas (no compensation) while my work truck was in the shop to get a new engine. The company truck also has a shattered windshield that is impossible to see out of in the sun; I have been reporting it for over a year, and they refuse to fix it. Companies like the one I work for truly need to be union.

Also, is it just me or do the people posting comments in the tribune just complain and moan about absolutely everything? It's never anything positive. It's always blaming the city government (which growing up on the east side of the state, i can tell you is FAR better than any government on the east side), or its blaming Obama for EVERYTHING, even if it has nothing to do with politics. It's not just the democrats, it's the republicans as well. They are all scumbags.

RenegadeX

Instead of being made to suffer all this, why don't you go find another job, or better yet, create your own job?

SignalMaintainer

I have been looking, but even though I make less than the average in my trade, it is still well above any jobs I have found so far on this side of the state.

Mary Washington

How ironic that your username is "ohwell" and you're preaching to people being lazy? I normally wouldn't take personal shots on here, but you've decided to make such a broad statement calling people in unions lazy that you have now opened yourself up to have your statments critiqued. Unions are not entitlement programs and anyone who would say so, and who claims to have been part of a union, was just in their respective job collecting a paycheck, not really understanding what the union was actually doing for you. Since you know so much, and since you posed the question as if you knew the answer, I'd like you to tell us all where the union dues go. What has Obama spent more money on, well I don't really know that he has spent more than any other President, but if he has it has been to clean up mess that George Bush and his cronies left in their wake. Your general statements need to be researched a little more, and not just thrown out as general statements that you are regurgitating from poor reporting news outlets, that only give general statements with no real research or FACTS. Also, I have never met a person who has ever been upset about having to work for their money. I am not in a union, but I happen to be close with many people who are, and I can tell you that not one of them display lazy ways of working as you call it. I have to ask you in general, what really is your motivation behind these blind statements? Are you jealous because you have a crappy job, and you don't like that others have jobs where they need protection from being taken advantage of? Or is it just the opposite where you have a great job, and just feel like spewing out venom? Perhaps you don't have a job at all, maybe YOU'RE lazy, you know what they say, it takes one to know one.

ohwell

I worked in more than one union shop, and seen it first hand. I never said all union workers are lazy, but they (unions) do tend to breed laziness. Why? Because they protect the people and fight for their jobs back when they get fired for not doing their jobs. Do you think is right? Typical lib, still blaming Bush for Obama's spending. So Obamacare was Bush's fault? That's funny. Along with all the other stuff Obama is spending money on. I don't think Bush was in favor of entitlement programs. Just Google debt clock and see what your Obama is doing to us. As for me being in the union jobs, I took them to get myself through school to have the six figure job I have today. I worked hard at every place I worked, union or not.

Peas2U

Dear "ohwell",

Here is a list of accomplishments of Mr. Obama (the President of the United States of America where, I am guessing, you also live). It is from 2010 and I know the list has grown since then. Please let us all know if any of these accomplishments are against the American people?

1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
16. New federal funding for science and research labs
17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
20. New funds for school construction
21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
22. US Auto industry rescue plan
23. Housing rescue plan
24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
26. US financial and banking rescue plan
27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
41. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
44. Expanding vaccination programs
45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
51. Lower drug costs for seniors
52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
54. Improved housing for military personnel
55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
57 Increasing student loans
58. Increasing opportunities in America
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; re engaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
60. Established a new cyber security office
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
66. Improving benefits for veterans
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
74. Making more loans available to small businesses
75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
76. Appointment of first Latin to the Supreme Court
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85 Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House
87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform

Again, this is a list from 2010, compiled by Robert P. Watson, Ph.D.Coordinator of American Studies at Lynn University. I found it on the Web when doing my own research prior to the 2012 election.

Check your facts.

Thank you Ms. Washington.

Morisk

Oh fun, are we playing the list game?? I hate to say it, but, that is a terrible one.

I could poke holes in about half of those without even batting an eye.
Ordered reviews...great. What are the results and what has been changed?
Announced intentions... again, great. Results? When was he going to start?
Put the ball in play? Common now.
Paid for his own decorations? Well if that doesn't make me feel secure I don't know what will?!?
War policy that limits areal bombing??
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/d...
Oh, and what was that about drones being cleared for use in US?
http://news.discovery.com/tech/m...
Hey... Thanks to the Freedom of Information act on that one. I personally really like the thought of drones flying over us and seeing our every move if they want. Freedom?
Loan guarantees? Again, with what money? Mine?
Hmm, money. I stopped counting at 17 things on your list that talked about spending more. At some point I would like to keep some of my own money I have worked hard for.
Increasing opportunities for Americans? (58) What would that be? Please tell me. Maybe you could spit up someone else's list for us to choke on.

I am glad your copy paste functions are working properly.

This is commentary from me, a middle aged single dad, a manager at a local company in West MI. I found the some information online, the rest from my brain.

Vladtheimp

My paste function is also operating:

President Barack Obama's Complete List of Historic Firsts [Updated]

Yes, he's historic, alright.

Law and Justice
• First President to Violate the War Powers Act (Unilaterally Executing American Military Operations in Libya Without Informing Congress In the Required Time Period - Source: Huffington Post)

• First President to Triple the Number of Warrantless Wiretaps of U.S. Citizens (Source: ACLU)

• First President to Sign into Law a Bill That Permits the Government to "Hold Anyone Suspected of Being Associated With Terrorism Indefinitely, Without Any Form of Due Process. No Indictment. No Judge or Jury. No Evidence. No Trial. Just an Indefinite Jail Sentence" (NDAA Bill - Source: Business Insider)

• First President to Have His Attorney General Held in Criminal Contempt of Congress For His Efforts to Cover Up Operation Fast and Furious, That Killed Over 300 Individuals (Source: Politico)

• First President to claim Executive Privilege to shield a sitting Attorney General from a Contempt of Congress finding for perjury and withholding evidence from lawful subpoenas (Source: Business Insider)

• First President to Issue Unlawful "Recess-Appointments" Over a Long Weekend -- While the U.S. Senate Remained in Session (against the advice of his own Justice Department - Source: Heritage Foundation)

• First President to Fire an Inspector General of Americorps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case (Source: Gawker)

• First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the Deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the U.S., Including Those With Criminal Convictions" (Source: DHS documents uncovered by Judicial Watch)

• First President to Sue States for Enforcing Voter ID Requirements, Which Were Previously Ruled Legal by the U.S. Supreme Court (Source: CNN)

• First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places (the New Black Panthers voter intimidation case, Source: Investors Business Daily)

• First President to Refuse to Comply With a House Oversight Committee Subpoena (Source: Heritage Foundation)

• First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It (Defense of Marriage Act - Source: ABC News)

• First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees (BP Oil Spill Relief Fund - Source: Fox News)

• First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present" (Source: The New York Times)

• First President to Have His Administration Fund an Organization Tied to the Cop-Killing Terrorist Group, the Weather Underground (Source: National Review)

And I'll add 2 recent ones - first president to suggest that Congress ignore the Constitution and give him the power to borrow money

First president to run guns to Mexico and Libya, with Americans killed in the process.

Morisk

That is a good (read bad) list.

Ctrl C (I'm guilty now too.)

ohwell

There are too many things that have been followed through on that list to list. Increased student loans? Really? He (your Messiah) has capped the amounts that can be borrowed for student loans. Guantanamo Bay is still open, oh and this is the end of the 2012. Just in case your Ph.D. that you got your list from hasn't informed you of that. Just see the post below to see how your "list" is flawed.

RenegadeX

Check your "facts".

Let's just "check" one that you have offered through you prolific cutting and pasting, shall we?

"Here is a list of accomplishments of Mr. Obama (the President of the United States of America where, I am guessing, you also live). It is from 2010 and I know the list has grown since then. Please let us all know if any of these accomplishments are against the American people?

1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices"

Pleae review this link and tell me just exactly where President Obama has recommended, let alone initiated, a "cut" in "wasteful spending and practices"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil...

Lanivan

I love how a thread on unions goes from union-bashing to Obama-bashing....we have to have something to "bash", no? Let's add this to the "list": 1.) The CBO projects that if the 2013 Obama budget is enacted, the total deficit reduction under Obama would make a 4-year total of nearly $500 billion, making the deficit shrink to $1.5 Trillion to $977 Billion. This was accomplished in part through the February, 2010 Pay-As-You-Go Act signed by Obama and a Democrat Congress - # of Repubs who signed - ZERO. 2.) According to the Wall St. Journal Market Watch, Obama is responsible for the lowest gov't spending in 60 years. Clinton is 2nd. Highest - Reagan and Bush II. The last Repub president who was able to cut the deficit was Eisenhower. Renegade and Vlad - you really need to get over this chronic and unfounded hate for Obama. At least put a muzzle on it - looking too much like sour grapes.

RenegadeX

Lanivan
Sun, 12/09/2012 - 11:48am
"I love how a thread on unions goes from union-bashing to Obama-bashing...."

Obama and unions are virtually indistinguishable from each other from a policy standpoint, no?

"we have to have something to "bash", no? Let's add this to the "list": 1.) The CBO projects that if the 2013 Obama budget is enacted, the total deficit reduction under Obama would make a 4-year total of nearly $500 billion, making the deficit shrink to $1.5 Trillion to $977 Billion"

Don't you feel even a modicum of shame putting forth a line of reasoning that implies Obama is a "budget cutter" when since his first budget, he has had trillion dollar+ annual deficits and even by your admission, his proposed budget doesn't even get us back to the deficits president Bush was running.

Obama creates a deficit unparalleled in our nation's history and you want to give him credit or "cutting" it to a point that simply puts him on par with other big spending presidents?

Really?

"The last Repub president who was able to cut the deficit wasEisenhower. Renegade and Vlad - you really need to get over this chronic and unfounded hate for Obama. At least put a muzzle on it - looking too much like sour grapes"

Unfounded hate? If you cannot understand the concerns that many well-meaning citizens have regarding Mr. Obama (expressed with great regularity in these fora), you are either a rabid partisan who is unmoved by fact, or simply oblivious to said fact. Which is it?

Lanivan

Neither. Actually, I have to ask you the same question. I don't know where you've been, but folks like you have such "firmly held beliefs", you don't know what to do with the facts. If you can't accept the facts from independent and conservative sources alike (CBO and WSJ respectively), then so be it. The fact is that Obama is one of the few presidents in recent history to reduce the deficit (doubled under 8 years of Reagan); the stock market soared in record numbers under his watch (6,000's when he took office to current 13,000's - one of the best performances since 1900). Unemployment continues a downward trend, job creation going up. Meanwhile Obama won, the GOP is imploding (start reading something other than foxnews.com or listening to Rush), and it's time to stop this irrelevant and stupid Obama-bashing - let's move on with moving this country forward from the Bush Great Recession. Unions=workers=middle class=Obama - you are correct! Corporations=corporate earnings highest in recorded history=outsourcing wealth, jobs,business overseas=GOP. I do admit I am always mystified why folks like you persist in the "great regularity of concerns...regarding Obama" (i.e. denial and delusion) in the face of facts that tell a different story. Hence my statement regarding "union-bashing to Obama-bashing" - you folks always need a bogey-man. Let's start seeing the glass 1/2 full and start thinking of ways you can help your community instead of digging the ditch deeper with "untruths".

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