Loosening gun restrictions

State lawmakers have approved legislation that would loosen gun restrictions in Michigan.
Krystle Wagner
Dec 15, 2012

Late Thursday, the state House and Senate passed legislation that would allow highly trained gun owners to carry concealed weapons in places such as schools, day cares and churches. But the pending new law would also allow schools and other private facilities to "opt out" of allowing concealed weapons on their property.

As of Friday, the legislation awaits Gov. Rick Snyder’s signature before it becomes law.

Brian Brookman, owner of West Michigan Pawn in Grand Haven, said the new law would allow him to send his daughter to school without worry. He said they would know teachers and principals could defend themselves in situations such as Friday’s shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

Brookman said his heart sank when he heard the news that almost 30 people died in Friday's shooting spree. If educators there had been able to carry guns, Brookman said the shooter might not have been able to kill as many people.

The pending new Michigan law, Brookman said, would make the world a safer place.

“It’s less likely these morons will go around killing people,” he said.

While Brookman looks forward to the governor's signature on the legislation, school officials expressed concerns.

Fruitport Community Schools Superintendent Bob Szymoniak said he respects the right to bear arms, but he doesn’t see the need for anyone to be able to carry a gun into a school because of the security measures already in place.

“I don’t think it’s in the best interest of schools that they can carry guns, unless they’re law enforcement,” he said.

To read more of this story, see Saturday’s print or e-edition of the Grand Haven Tribune.

Comments

No One Special

Hey Polyanna, are you serious? There are nut-job military/law enforcement agents who have used their positions innumerable times throughout the world and across this country to coerce sexual acts (even in our own community), murder others, run drugs, and a host of other crimes. You forget these "agents" are just like the rest of our culture with all the physical and mental blemishes that go with it. And if you read the newspaper this can be proven thousands of times over. If you don't believe the newspapers take a long look at history - man has always tried to dominate his fellow man. The Second Amendment isn't about hunting or target practice. It's about decent people being able to protect themselves from "agents" who have always wanted to abuse their power.

Captain Obvious

Why don't you kill the intruder with a pump-action shotgun the old fashioned way. Easier and more certain than trying to aim in the dark. Who said anything about taking your right to defend your home or children away?

Just-me

the average response time for 911 is 23 mins the response time for a 44 magnum 1650 feet per second

Lanivan

Yeah - Here in the Tri-cities, that Magnum .44 will do a number on that squirrel nesting in your attic. How many times have you had an intruder in your home? Out goes common sense, in goes the paranoia....

RenegadeX

Paranoia?

"* Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18]"

Source: http://www.justfacts.com/guncont...

Wingmaster

How many times have you used pepper spray? Its not that you use it a lot, its because you have the option...its called freedom Lan!

RenegadeX

“With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/ar...

Vladtheimp

Would anyone who reads this agree with the following legislation?

Hereafter, no public official who initiates or votes affirmatively for gun control legislation will be eligible to be protected by municipal, state, or federal law enforcement personnel who carry a weapon."

RenegadeX

Sign me up....

AtomicRooster

I am a CPL holder. I am hoping Governor Snyder does NOT sign this piece of legislation. I am fine not carrying my firearm concealed into a school, church, or a government building. I don't find it necessary to carry my firearm into these kinds of areas and those areas should remain pistol-free. But on the other hand, what I would like to see is the Governor repeal the law requiring you to have to obtain a CPL. We should be able to open carry like states like Alaska, Vermont, New Mexico, or North Carolina for example. In those states they are not required to have to go through the channels to get a CPL. It's just not required. CPL is just a way for the state to generate more revenue. With "open carry" an individual would have to go through screenings and naturally if they had any felonies they would not be able to purchase a handgun and that already is in place and naturally never be able to open carry...period. Yes I know Michigan is a traditional open carry state but with it comes many restrictions. And if you walked into a department store open carrying your firearm you could draw some very unnecessary heat that you really don't need. It's really not worth the hassle. On a closing note here, keep in mind criminals DO NOT open carry. Something to think about. And if law abiding citizens were able to open carry it would definitely send out a message to the criminals.

brkm7

The problem I have with your theory is that no training is required to open carry. Even now, a CPL holder is required to have at least basic training. The new law would require even more training! Allowing trained law abiding CPL holders to carry ANYPLACE is the ONLY way to fix this problem. Lanza was a psychopath! His mother KNEW THIS!! She was foolish and irresponsible for having those (or any weapon) in a place where he could get to it. My firearms are locked up in a 500 pound vault and my child (even though I have trained her in the proper safe handling of firearms) has no idea what the combo is. People keep talking about the heroic teachers that died at Sandy Hook and we all SHOULD talk about them and remember them because they were heros! But I promise you this, when they died in vain using their own bodies to shield these children, EVERY SINGLE ONE of them did so wishing they had not been utterly and completely defenseless! There is no worse feeling in the world than helplessness.

AtomicRooster

The only problem I have with your comment is your mind is CLOSED. Those states that do not require a CPL and they can open carry don't seem to have the problems you state here. One thing you seem to keep overlooking is that criminals/thugs DO NOT open carry. I think you need to re-read the 2nd Amendment right(again). Comprehend it this time. Got it yet?

dyankee

Here is a letter from the mother of this mass murderer when this mental case was 13 years old. Open and notorious threats to kill his mother back then and nothing was done.(http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-a...) Why wasn't anything done?, liberalism....another mental disorder. We cannot prosecute this piece trash because this would be discriminatory against the mentally ill. So, lets medicate this kid and attempt to UNDERSTAND him and his needs. Every doctor, social worker, and psychiatrist that wrote a perscription for this kid should be investigated. If rubber stamp perscriptions were written for this clearly, unstable individual then, unleash the warrants for accessory to murder charges against everyone of them, immediately.

RenegadeX

To be clear, this column was NOT written by Adam Lanza's mother. Please check the byline. Having said that, it is a very powerful testament to the challenges faced by a parent who is very scared.

Magic Mike

Sounds like you're part of the problem with your opinion of those who are mentally ill. It's a shame, really.

Walking Alive

Liberals, huh? It was REGAN who closed all the mental institutions! What tripe dyankee!

Justsaying

If we don't aim at the cause of the problem we will not correct the problem. The problem here is not the guns, or bomb, or poison, or knife. The problem is the mental illness. To my knowledge not one of the killers who have done these hideous crimes had a legal CPL. But, they all had some mental illness. Why don't we make some laws that drastically change the mental health industry that aides us to help them before they kill us.

dyankee

Weapons don't kill children....evil people do along with Physicians conducting abortions in a Plan Parenthood office.

Walking Alive

And we are so lucky you were such a good hider when your mommy walked into the PP office dyankee.

brkm7

Everyone who thinks the new CPL changes are a bad idea should read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pea...

This is a perfect example of why teachers should be armed. You won't find this article in the news because the liberal media doesn't want you to know.

jackassery

since when does making something illegal make crimes not happen? Last time I checked it is against the law to smoke WEED,Drive while intoxicated,drive past the speed limit,NOT wear a seatbelt,drive on a suspended license,ETC....What makes people think that passing a law of any sort on guns is going to make ANY difference?People will still have them,conceal them,and use them anyway they choose.Pass all of the laws you want,but that will NEVER change America's love affair with guns.

Walking Alive

You got your name right anyway.

jackassery

yours should be walking blind...

biped

A teacher with a hand gun would have little chance against an intruder armed with a Bushmaster AR-15. The solution to arm teachers is ludicrous!

Wayne Justinen

A pistol and a patrol rifle (Bushmaster or otherwise) have two characteristics in common:

1. Press a trigger and a bullet is sent into whatever the gun is pointed at.

2. The type of gun carried has no bearing on how that person reacts when shot.

So, a teacher with a pistol is at a disadvantage only if unable to shoot the assailant.

A teacher without a pistol is simply a victim.

dyankee

A teacher with no hand gun would have no chance. Your solution to do nothing is what is ludicrous!

minck1

IT IS PROVEN MORE GUN CONTROL WILL NOT WORK! Remember the federal government had an unconstitutional ban on "assault" weapons from 1994 to 2004. Columbine happened in 1999 under the ban. The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting or personal protection. The second amendment is in place to protect the rights of US Citizens from government that tries to infringe on the rest of our rights laid out in the constitution.

Captain Obvious

I had no idea all these Polish Chiefs were leftest liberals Vlad! From July 2012 Issue Police Chief Magazine.

This month, Police Chief magazine reprinted a letter from Chief Joseph M. Polisar, then head of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, originally published in 2004 as the assault weapons ban expired. Polisar vowed that the chiefs would continue to push for the ban, noting it had proved “remarkably effective in reducing the number of crimes involving assault weapons. Since 1994 the proportion of assault weapons traced to crimes has fallen by a dramatic 66 percent.”

Captain Obvious

Sorry to all those Polish Chiefs, I meant Police...voice recognition software not quite there yet!

snlfan

"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns." The cry I am hearing here... what rubbish.

You mean by making certain high-powered weapons and devices that allow people with those high-powered weapons to kill more people without having to stop for a reload, we make the people who opt to remain owners of those illegal weapons "outlaws", and subject to removal from society? Duh. That's what laws do.

But, if they don't work, then why not just legalize everything and become an Anarchy? Oh, right, because you value being able to walk down the street unmolested, and you aren't a fictional character played by Charles Bronson, so vigilantism isn't something you could get away with.

No one is saying to come after sporting guns or even handguns.

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