Legislature approves abortion insurance law

The Republican-controlled Michigan Legislature has passed a law banning almost all abortion coverage from health insurance plans unless an additional policy is bought.
AP Wire
Dec 11, 2013

The Right to Life-backed initiative becomes law in March without Republican Gov. Rick Snyder's signature. He vetoed similar legislation last year ago but has no power to do so this time.

The Senate voted 27-11. The House voted 62-47.

Employers and individuals will have to buy extra insurance to cover almost all abortions. Their primary plan won't apply in cases of rape or incest and only if an abortion is needed to save the woman's life.

Of 23,000 abortions in Michigan last year, health insurance covered 3 percent. Democrats say it's despicable to require women to buy special abortion insurance in advance of being raped.

Comments

llr102

GOP 's war on women 10.0 . Women leave this state as soon as you can!!!!

deuce liti

It's pathetic that it's a fight for women to kill their babies, but they don't say a word about prostitution.

Kenny

Yes, murder an innocent child! That makes sense. I don't understand how people can kill a child because they were stupid and had unprotected sex. I don't understand how murdering a baby is better than putting it up for adoption. War on women? I don't think so. Sounds like a war on babies. Even rape, it's not the child's fault. Put them up for adoption.

SignalMaintainer

I thought the GOP was dead-set against big government and regulation?

I don't have a horse in this race though, and am not going to argue either side on this issue.

Back to the Wall

The GOP is not interested in reducing government's roll. The GOP is only interested in maintaining power.

I find it downright laughable that the liberals are suddenly shocked that government is meddling where it shouldn't belong, via health care regulation.

The irony, it stings!!!

Lanivan

Our duly elected legislators, mostly Republicans - you know, the party that espouses a reduced role of government in peoples lives, that spend millions of dollars in weakening and nullifying government regulations, social safety nets, and any other law they don't like, have seen fit to push through yet another piece of meddling and totally unnecessary legislation, not through normal methods, but thanks to a rarely used citizen initiation petition process.

This particular proposal was vetoed last year by our Republican governor. It was passed today based on a petition of about 300,000 signatures - roughly 4% of all Michigan voters -and will go into effect without passing Gov Snyder's desk, or ever going before the voters at the polling booth. The legislation was passed even though state statistics show that just 3.3 percent of abortions performed here in 2012 were covered by insurance. Additionally, self-funded health plans offered by some large employers and government agencies are unlikely to be affected.

Could someone please tell me how this particular 'Rape Insurance', which requires women to purchase a special insurance rider to cover a pregnancy as a result of some future, possible rape, helps to strengthen Michigan economy or employment rates, improves the lives of Michigan residents in any way, or promotes a thriving business community.

Vladtheimp

Some good questions there, Lanny! I think some of them apply equally to other government meddling laws, one in particular.

Like passing a law impacting all Americans, not through normal methods but thanks to a process reserved for revenue bills designed to balance the federal budget (Reconciliation), even though we were promised that the bill did not raise taxes.

Could someone please tell me how the Obamacare requirement that all health insurance policies cover maternity costs, even when the insured is a male or a woman aged 60 and above, to cover a possible birth by a man or an octogenarian helps to strengthen the nation's economy or employment rates, improve the lives of Americans, or promotes a thriving business community? Statistics tell us that 0.0% of babies were born to a man. This is stupidity run amok.

rukidding

I get it but...

WORD FORMS alternate spellings

amok
amuck

When things go amuck, they are wildly out of control. Someone running amuck is showing no self-control.

This is a word that has to do with chaos and disorder. A riot is an example of people running amuck. In a cafeteria, if people are yelling and throwing food, they are going amuck. This word applies to times when control has been lost: people are showing no self-control, and the situation is out of hand. Sometimes, going amuck is positive, though. If a football player scores five touchdowns in a game, you could say he's running amuck.

Lanivan

Thank you for your predictably harmonious and neatly worded clarification. You have, in an orderly method, closed the gaping void in one's definition of amok/amuck.

Now - how do you feel about the rape insurance bill?

rukidding

My initial response earlier is unchanged and entered further down in the comments; I will state my opinion again, "This is stupidity run amuck". This is how the whole amok and amuck definition came about to start with; even more upset that the public has no voice in this.

I am flabbergasted that we care so little about a woman's choice, regardless the circumstances, and penalize them for additional medical costs.

Lanivan

Just bear in mind - "We" is our elected officials of the Republican persuasion (along with a few Dems) who saw fit to punt this baby over the goalposts. WE can express our concern about these maneuvers, and hopefully they will feel the heat come the 2014 elections. As the mother of a daughter who has many responsible Michigan girlfriends, I am especially appalled that these legislators are so ignorant and petty about women's rights, choices, and health.

Lanivan

Nice segue, Vlad! I see my lamentation resonated with you for all the wrong reasons. If Obamacare was passed in the same manner as the rape insurance legislation, I'd be spittin' nails, too. But Obamacare offers options to the whole of the citizenry; this current MI legislation-run-amo(u)k takes away options, and targets, again for the 100th time, women, specifically women's reproductive health and women's rights.

But as you know, my concern here is that, again for the 100th time, this crappy MI Congress has passed legislation stealthily, with a minimum of public debate or discussion, and on the cusp of deception and trickery (see - I'm not a "champion of lawlessness" after all). It's unnecessary for several reasons, some of which I pointed out in my original comment.

Obamacare, to compare, was a Republican proposal since 1989, was promoted by Congressional Republicans in the 90's, was effectively implemented in a state by a Republican governor, and the current configuration encompasses HUNDREDS of Republican initiatives, and was passed after an entire year of negotiations that were available to view on C-SPAN, with town hall meetings every which way to Sunday.

As to your argument of why should men cover childbirth in their policies, I totally concur. It is a real crock that my premiums cover people who are addicted to cigarettes, food, alcohol, and drugs, and the expensive treatments that these addictive people will eventually incur, my not falling into any of these categories. Not to mention all those with STD's, are of child-bearing age, Viagra-users, lazy slugs, people who ride motorcycles or bikes without helmets, etc, etc.

I'm sorely disappointed that you are unable to answer my question.

Vladtheimp

Come on Lanny, it's too late to make stuff up about Obamacare - people know what it is and that knowledge is reflected in Obama's popularity ratings and the number of people, particularly the young "invincibles" signing up.

Obamacare was drafted exclusively by the Democrats. You must have smoked some really good stuff to have imagined that the health care negotiations were available to view on C-Span http://youtu.be/rfrkfbGrGCU. Come to think on it, maybe I have hit on the source of many of your claimed facts.

As for your penultimate paragraph, sounds to me like you have "substandard" insurance, even though the requirements for insurance coverage here are largely mandated by the State of Michigan. Actually, you are being doubly shafted - not only are your insurance dollars covering the classes of people you mentioned, so are our tax dollars - including those "lazy slugs."

Will you join me in a campaign to stop government from mandating that our insurance and tax dollars be needlessly used to re-distribute our wealth? _Reform Obamacare; Reform state insurance requirements; Reform Medicaid; Reform Welfare - You Go Girl!

Vladtheimp

Romneycare - 2006 - impacts residents of one state - passed with near unanimity on bi-partisan basis with support from Ted Kennedy and the Heritage Foundation, with voter support, without bribes, kickbacks, lies, or improper use of arcane budget procedure

Obamacare - March, 2010, takes over 1/6 U.S. economy and impacts over 300 million citizens with no bipartisan support, against the will of voters, passed as a result of bribes, kickbacks, lies (If you like your insurance plan you can keep your insurance plan - period. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor - period. Obama assures voters mandate is not a tax, then has his Solicitor General argue before the Supreme Court it is a tax, and passed using inappropriate Reconciliation process).

Yup - you're comparing apples with apples - NOT!

Lanivan

Me - make up stuff? If you are referring to my C-Span comment, I quote from a letter written by C-SPAN CEO Brian Lamb, “Since the initial introduction of America’s Affordable Health Care Act of 2009, in the House and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act in the Senate, [C-SPAN has televised literally hundreds of hours of committee hearings, mark ups and floor debate on these bills for the public to see],” (italics mine). (And since you're all about changing the topic, that Jack Cafferty - he's so fidgety one suspects he has ants in his pants).

Let's compare numbers in a few more weeks - you might need an extra glass of holiday 'eggnog' to soothe your furrowed brow, the way the sign-ups are exploding, now that the Glitch that almost stole Christmas is getting repaired. (The Koch Bros didn't have anything to do with bribing the GWAC, did they??)

Back on topic, I was all about the insurance thing, until I stopped and realized all you poor folks have been covering for my surgeries, et al, due to my habit of pushing it for years and not having the sense to pace myself....hehehe. I guess that's how she rolls - we all get dumped into one big vat of humanity, for insurance purposes. At least, in terms of actuarial science. Until now, that is, when our MI legislators have decided to segregate women of child-bearing years, and force them to buy extra insurance to cover a crisis pregnancy as a result of a future possibility of rape, when it only affects a very small percentage of Michigan insured. Just what we need - more meddling, needling, and piddling legislation!

Me join you in a campaign? The he11 you say! I can understand where you're coming from, as I do admittedly have the persistence and tenacity of my former herding dog when it comes to something I believe in. I'm tempted, as we do often agree on the problem, but then must acknowledge our solutions tend to be divergent.

Vladtheimp

Ah, the old Clinton parsing - "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

The Prevaricator-in-Chief promised "that “we’ll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so the people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents and who is making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies.”

C-Span televised some hearings and debates, but was not permitted to televise what was promised - the negotiations, which Lamb referred to in his letter: " Now that the process moves to the critical stage of reconciliation between the Chambers, we respectfully request that you allow the public full access, through television, to legislation that will affect the lives of every single American.”

Jake Tapper asked Obama's first Baghdad Bob about that and was told "And I think if you watched that debate – I don’t know — I wasn’t up at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning for a lot of those votes" what transparency!

Bottom line - the negotiations (held among democrats) were carried out in secret and never televised.

Finally, the only thing exploding is Obamacare, not the signups, and certainly not the payments by people who have signed up, estimated to be at about 15% of that already small number. You can sell that to your fellow Obamaphiles, but not to anyone conversant with the facts!

Lanivan

Frankly, after August '09 when the Tea Party patriots were bringing guns and disgusting signage to the town hall meetings, the Repubs wouldn't have gotten involved with the negotiations if they had been begged to do so, candy a**es that they are. And, just to reiterate - "C-Span televised some hearings and debates"..case closed.

Just as a reminder of how partisan Obama was in '09:

1.) In February, 2009, Obama signed the American Recovery and Investment Act, which included $288 billion in tax cuts, arguably the largest tax cuts in American history. These cuts included a payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per married couple in 2009 and 2010, and an extension of revisions in the Alternative Minimum Tax, which saved middle-class Americans $70 billion. Additionally, the legislation included over $30 billion in tax cuts for American businesses.

2.) During the 2008 Presidential Campaign, Barack Obama received significant support from prominent Republicans, including former governors, members of congress and other high-ranking officials. On November 4, 2008, Obama was elected the 44th President of the United States, capturing 53% of the popular vote, including 9% of Republicans and 20% of self-described Conservatives.

3.) President Obama’s cabinet has included both Republicans and conservatives, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, Army Secretary John McHugh, and Jon Huntsman, the former Governor of Utah, who was chosen to be the U.S.’s Ambassador to China.

4.) Throughout the health care reform debates of 2009 and 2010, President Obama refused to commit to either a single-payer health care system, favored by liberal Democrats, or a government-sponsored public option-- the favored choice among other Democrats. Instead, the President focused on enacting legislation that would cover the vast majority of Americans and lower health care costs, even if it was not the first choice of liberal activists.

5.) In the words of Norman Ornstein, of the conservative think tank The American Enterprise Institute (AEI):

“The Democrats' health-reform plan includes no public option and relies on managed competition through exchanges set up much like those for federal employees. The individual mandate in the plan sprang from a Heritage Foundation idea that was endorsed years ago by a range of conservatives and provided the backbone of the Massachusetts plan that was crafted and, until recently, heartily defended by Mitt Romney. It would be fair to describe the new act as Romneycare crossed with the managed-competition bill proposed in 1994 by Republican Sens. John Chafee, David Durenberger, Charles Grassley and Bob Dole -- in other words, as a moderate Republican plan.”

I could go on, but why bother - He Lied!

http://www.republicansforobama.o...

Vladtheimp

Apologies in advance - 1. On the democrat support of Obama and Obamacare - Sen. Landrieu http://youtu.be/ExtaKZ8DHXQ

2. Musical comment on #1 (from Obama) - http://youtu.be/Kv_JDow1I38

3. Translation: Pretty blond, look at what you've done,
You left me to go away,
to go away with another, yes, than me,
What hope and what future am I going to have?

Pretty blond, you've left me all alone
To go back to your family.
If you had not listened to all the advice of the others
You would be here with me today.

Pretty blond, you thought there as just you,
There is not just you in the land to love me.
I can find another pretty blond,
Good God knows, I have a lot. (like Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmid)

Lanivan

Harry Choates? You are freakin' awesome, Vlad! No description available, or necessary - these are the real McCoy.

Mary is a Dem in a very Repub state - a girl does what a girl needs to do to get re-elected. Like I've said at least a hundred times, like it matters, for about 85% of insured Americans, Obama's promise has been fulfilled.

Cry me a river....

rukidding

This is stupidity run amuck.

llr102

Stop Viagra prescriptions and problem solved. G O P is stupid white men run amuck!!!

Vladtheimp

Thanks for adding to the knowledge base- one request - could you tell us where you bought your Race Card so we can get one and say the same thing about another party and another race without being identified as "Raaacists"? Thanks!

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