Patrols increase, incidents expected to heat up

This week's cooler temperatures haven’t slowed down attendance at Coast Guard Festival events, but they have slowed the number of emergency calls.
Becky Vargo
Aug 2, 2013

“The weather has kind of kept everything pretty tame,” said Senior Chief Kirk McKay of Coast Guard Station Grand Haven. “Usually, we have more boat and foot traffic.”

It's been more than 10 degrees cooler in Grand Haven this week than during the 2012 Coast Guard Festival. Lake Michigan's water has been a cool 55-60 this week.

McKay expects activity to pick up as the crowds come into town for this weekend.

“We’ll be out there patrolling, talking to boaters and encouraging safety, as we always do,” he said.

Still, the influx of people in town for the festival has led to the expected traffic issues, Grand Haven Public Safety Director Jeff Hawke said. In the evening, the number of complaints about intoxication goes up.

“We’ve had a few of these this week, but it’s very much on par with previous years,” Hawke said.

An increase in lost and found property — primarily purses, bags and cellphones — is always an issue during festival week.

“There will be between 10 and 20 complaints of lost or found items on Coast Guard Saturday,” Hawke said. “We return a high percentage of it.”

Hawke said there’s an added presence of police through foot patrols during the week. On Saturday, the ranks will be reinforced with the assistance of the Ottawa County Sheriff’s Department and Michigan State Police, and the majority of the Grand Haven department will work that evening.

Supporting the officers on Saturday will be North Ottawa Community Hospital paramedics, the city’s Senior Volunteer Patrol and members of the North Ottawa Amateur Radio Club.

Deputies have been visible all week because the festival hires reservists to patrol different areas, Hawke said.Besides the increased police force in town, there will be a lot of firefighters on Dewey Hill for Saturday night's fireworks show.

“We will have in excess of 40 firefighters from many area departments, including some from Kent County,” Hawke said.

To read more of this story, see today’s print or e-edition of the Grand Haven Tribune.

Comments

Wingmaster

Gee I wonder how they will react to Michigan Open carry who will be downtown today walking thru and answering questions regarding this Michigan right.

LessThanAmused

Good lord, what is wrong with you? You really need psychological help. Just what we need downtown is a bunch of dumba**es with guns hidden under their coats looking for trouble.

Wingmaster

Hey Less...wise up open carry is legal and they are there to educate you.
Nothing wrong with me, I understand the law, do you?

truthhurts

I think this would be a good poll. i will be packing, but you won't see it.

“We’ll be out there patrolling, talking to boaters and encouraging safety, as we always do,” he said. -unless you're on the ski team!...no life jacket required there, but we encourage safety.

Lanivan

Really? You really see a need to carry a weapon to see the Grand Haven Coast Guard fireworks? You actually believe the level of danger is so great here in Grand Haven you must carry a gun? That the percentages that the eventuality of protection are so high you must be prepared for the worst?

God help us all.

Wingmaster

No, you don't need to carry a weapon to see the fireworks. Its called freedom.

Pretty sure most students that went to school during any of the mass school shootings didn't figured they needed a gun to protect themselves from the carnage that was brought down on them.

Some people just don't want to be victims Lanny. I think you would be surprised how many people you come across that carry. They just maybe your best friend if you ever god forbid find yourself in such a position as above.

Tri-cities realist

Lanny and LTA, let me frame this another way. Do both of you have insurance on your homes or renters insurance if you rent? If yes, are you paranoid about your house burning down? I would guess that the insurance actually makes you less paranoid, it provides you with a sense of security, such that if the unforeseen happens, you know you have prepared as best you can. I see carrying firearms in the same way, it is an insurance policy in case the worst happens. In the overwhelming majority of cases, the LAST people who want to shoot anyone are those that are carrying, since they realize the legal firestorm they will endure if they choose to use their weapon. But they'll resort to this last option of using their firearm, if their lives are endangered. I'd rather be alive and face a jury of my peers, than a dead victim to some thug.

As for open carry vs concealed, I agree with others here that concealed carry makes more sense to me, so as not to tip off the evil doers. But I fully respect someone's right to open carry.

Lanivan

Wing and TCR - My concerns have absolutely nothing to do with wanting to take guns away, infringe on rights to have a gun(s), etc, but everything to do with the many unstable people walking around who are this close to going off on someone for the most minor of offenses (seen every day - there is so much road rage, consumer rage, etc). Or those inflicted with the Z Syndrome - those pesky Hall Monitor-on-steroid-types like Zimmerman, who have to be at the scene of every crime, who find meaning in "looking out" for perceived lawbreakers, the vigilante wannabes looking for a moment of attention, redemption, or fame.

I have no problem with those of you who are responsible, reasonable, balanced, certified, signed, sealed, and delivered concealed carry types - but how do I differentiate between the two types? There are states that have NO restrictions or require NO training or certification for gun owners - AT ALL. What do you think of that?

Tri-cities realist

I was surprised not to see a headline today, similar to "Gun toting GHTrib commenters go berserk at CG fireworks killing..."

To answer your last question, I must first qualify your 2nd to the last statement. You must be referring to gun sales between private parties. ALL gun sales by Federal Firearm Licensees (FFL) go through some level of background check, which varies by state. See http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis...

I don't believe govt should be in the business of determining who CAN own a gun, but they should determine who CANNOT, which is the purpose of NICS.

I'm not knowledgeable of all 50 states and their gun laws, if they choose not to require background checks for private party sales, that is their prerogative. Personally, if I were to sell one of my guns, I would go through an FFL dealer, I consider it due diligence. If you don't like the law, write your reps.

Setting aside the Constitutional guarantee for a moment, lets compare guns to cars. I know, I can hear the groaning of some reading this, but bear with me. Do we allow unstable people with known psychological problems to own cars? Why do we allow that? Where is your outrage over allowing this? I contend that a 4000 lb vehicle can be as deadly as a gun, when put in the wrong hands.

I tend to look at what is practical. Can we prevent unstable people from doing harm to others? Unfortunately we can't all of the time. If we take away all guns, they'll use knives or hammers or whatever. So we should prevent the mentally ill from owning guns. But should we prevent someone who was feeling a little down, went to the Dr. and got a prescription, from owning a gun? It's a slippery slope, and I'll admit, I have no answer for determining whether someone will do harm or not. But I won't allow anyone to infringe upon others rights because of what-if's.

Lanivan

"But I won't allow anyone to infringe upon others rights because of what-if's". This is sophistry of the highest degree. Anti-gun control/NRA propaganda lives and breathes 'what-ifs'. The reasonable rationale for owning a gun for 'what if': it's needed for protection from burglars, break-ins; keep in an office to protect from same; keep in one's auto glove compartment to keep from same has now morphed into an insane excuse to carry a gun everywhere because it's now the preferred method to settle a dispute, show how macho you are, fight back by shooting to kill without a duty to retreat, to give courage to those who see a 'what if' in every person walking down the sidewalk or sitting next to them at the fireworks show.

It's gone from having a rifle or other firearm to hunt and enjoy firearm sport to 'what if' the gubmint invades my home and takes my guns; 'what if' the gubmint takes away my right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness by attempting to restrict criminals from buying up guns. Remember, TCR - gun sales have gone down a great deal in the the last 30 years, although the number of guns owned has increased. Why? 'What if' paranoia and fear of the unknown or some boogeyman out there might require I have an arsenal of military-style weapons with multiple rounds of ammo whose one and only purpose is to kill dozens of people under a minute. That's the slippery slope, and I for one resent those of you who so cavalierly infringe on my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness by refusing to govern in support of the 98% of American citizens who want tighter background checks.

I've lived, worked, raised a family, traveled all 50 states and overseas, attended countless concerts, fireworks, public events, lived in big cities and urban areas as well as rural, have very close friends from six different states who do all of the above as well, and never once, in many decades of living, have any of us ever been in a situation where there was even a remote need to use a gun for protection.

I'm throwing your 'what if' argument right back at ya'. It carries no weight with me.

Wingmaster

So then what is your perception regarding this incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n...
Now what do you think is going on here? Do they qualify as "Hall Monitor-on-steroids-type, or citizens that are helping the process?

To answer your last question, here in this state you do go thru the training. So why would you oppose open carry? Why must you assume they are vigilante types?

Lanivan

Wing - read above. Also, as to your Philly reference, this might help explain why the folks in Philly feel disenfranchised, and why voter suppression activities are bound to create even more "Hall Monitor" situations.....http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com...

LessThanAmused

Yes I do. The difference between us is I'm not a paranoid dillusional with an itchy trigger finger looking for trouble.

truthhurts

why? because we actually excercise our rights?

LessThanAmused

Maybe you should exercise some common sense instead! You should really ask yourself "why do I feel the need to exercise a right that everyone has, but most don't feel the need to "exercise" all the time?" Like I said previously, living in constant fear is no way to live your life. If your hidden pistol makes you feel like more of a man than you have issues that need to be tended to before you hurt yourself or someone else.

Wingmaster

You sure make a lot of assumptions. Do carry on as I think we are learning who is the unstable one here.

You have done nothing but attack me. Why are you so insecure about your position here?

Tri-cities realist

LTA, sorry but I have to point out ignorance when I see it, not trying to attack you, just educate. You stated "Good lord, what is wrong with you? You really need psychological help. Just what we need downtown is a bunch of dumba**es with guns hidden under their coats looking for trouble."

Wing specifically mentioned Michigan OPEN carry, which means carrying weapons in plain sight, not hidden under their coats. That is called concealed carry, hopefully it was just an oversight on your part.

Vast Right Wing...

Less -- read the law & the Constitution, its legal. What we don't need us idiots like you who want to violate People's rights.

LessThanAmused

Violate people's rights? Really? You're as wacky as masterwingnut. I don't have a problem with the law or the constitution. My problem is with you wackadoodles that all want to be the next George Zimmerman.
Can you really tell me that there's a need to be packing heat in downtown Grand Haven? I'd hate to live my life as afraid of boogey men as you wanna be public defenders are....it's just sad to live in constant fear. I'd bet you didn't pass the psychological test for some police organization and you've been bitter ever since.

truthhurts

we are not public defenders...we are personal defenders. There is never a 'need' to carry a gun until aome one is causing great bodily harm. some people have the right to carry a gun...quite different than needing. Its a choice, just like you have the choice to not carry...but there is no way to justify it with people like you.

Wingmaster

Your about as clueless as they come and less then amusing with your teeth nashing. Why do you you want to associate someone with a legal gun as whacky. Pretty weak minded to lash out at perfectly legal behavior. You are not forced to carry! Those that do are less dangerous then most of those out there with a cell phone in a holster.

That boogey man your afraid of is between your ears!

Vast Right Wing...

Hey Less -- shows how much you know. I did pass and do work as a LEO for the largest agency in this Country. Also a disabled Marine Corps veteran. And as I walk through my home town during Coast Guard, I carry my duty side arm on and off duty, not just for my protection, but yours.

Yet as you sit in your parents basement, wanting to infringe on people's second amendment rights ... and calling people wackadoodles .... enjoy your right to Free Speech, and all the other Rights you have due to the sacrifices made by the Founders of this country and all veterans that have fought to keep this country free.

Personally, I don't really like open carry, but its legal and I find nothing wrong with people exercising their Rights.

Lanivan

Thank you most sincerely for your sacrifice for your country and to protect my freedoms. Although I don't agree with your politics, there really is no way for me to adequately express my appreciation for your heroic service to a country we both love. God Bless.

Tri-cities realist

Amen Lanny, finally something we should all be able to agree on. And thank you VRW for your service to our country and the sacrifice you made. Happy Coast Guard all, be safe.

Tri-cities realist

LTA, you should be careful when making ASSumptions. Looks like VRW is not who you think he was.

GHJames

It is legal and it is their right, but it's also stupid. If anyone is going to do something serious it just makes you the canary in the coal mine - "That guy has a gun on his hip, I better shoot him first." Meanwhile the people with CCW's will actually get a bad guy off guard. I have read the message boards on michiganopencarry.com and watched the youtube videos posted documenting encounters with police. It looks like a very large portion of the participants on these sites are more interested in a confrontation with law enforcement with the possible payday of a civil suit against local municipalities (ie: taxpayers, ie: YOU and ME!) than any actual education about the issue. Read the message boards, watch the videos. This movement needs to seriously rethink the tactics of baiting law enforcement and frivilous lawsuits that punish local taxpayers (not the cops) before I can support or respect them.

truthhurts

maybe they should educate their reserve police and the regular police about the laws, that way they react appropriately and there are no lawsuits. Kind of reminds me of the air force officer that was arrested during coast guard a few years ago for carrying. He took it to them if I remember right.

GHJames

By them you mean us. I pay taxes, the police department doesn't. He sued you and I because he decided to strut around town on the busiest day of the year causing dozens of citizens to call911 in a panic. If education was the goal, then pass out literature while doing this instead of knowing full well that people will call 911 and jumping on the chance to act like an arrogant boob when approached by police. Be reasonable, perhaps do some things you are not obligated to do like provide your ID during this contact to do what you say you are doing - educate. As for the cops in this area needing that education I have heard a number of calls on the scanner from here to Holland over the last few years since that incident where the officer clears the call by telling the dispatcher the subject is "just open carrying." I think the ones looking for a payday in GH will be disappointed. The ones looking to educate should walk away from our city pleased with the progress made.

truthhurts

he had a right to sue the uneducated population. He shouldn't have to educate anyone that is not his job.

LessThanAmused

Thanks for proving the point that you nitwits are just looking for a fight. You really need help.

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