Gov. signs teacher benefit changes into law

Gov. Rick Snyder has signed legislation requiring public school employees to pay more for their pensions and ending state-provided health coverage in retirement for new hires.
AP Wire
Sep 5, 2012

 

The Republican governor signed the overhaul of the Michigan Public School Employees Retirement System on Tuesday. The GOP-led Senate and House passed the legislation this year.

Officials said the measure cuts at least $15 billion from a $45 billion liability on the system. The reductions include a $130 million contribution by the state toward retirement costs.

At the signing ceremony, Snyder also said he'll appeal an August state Court of Appeals decision that found Michigan's 3 percent payroll deduction for school employees unconstitutional.

The state has collected $508 million since 2010 from 227,000 public school employees to finance retiree health care.
 

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43°North

So why would a teacher EVER vote for a Republican?

43°North

Common practice everywhere, even in private business now. Trim the fat. Businesses used to care about their workers, not any more. You are expendable, your pension is expendable, your retirement is expendable, your insurance is expendable. We are a true throw-away society thanks to the Republicans.

PeopleAreAmazing

My. Oh. My.

AtomicRooster

Teachers were Republicans until John Engler took their bargaining rights away. I was right there when that happened working for a public school at the time as a custodian. I never heard teachers cry so loud. Everyone seems to be a Republican until THEY NEED HELP. Why is that? Hmmm....

43°North

Because they figured out the R factor. R's only help R-selves, while D's help others who need it. If you had Labor Day off, thank a union member.

PeopleAreAmazing

I remember seeing the letter that told all of the teachers to switch from Republicans to Spend-O-Crats. They all obeyed. They all switched. Not a single teacher votes Republican anymore. Right. The answer to your question is: The Democrats promise to spend their way to a solution, while the Republicans prefer an approach that causes one to WORK their way to a solution. One seems easy but is foolish, and the other is more difficult but more realistic. I guess some people want to take the easy way out - and so, the Democrats seem like a good way to go.......until you see the effects down the road of economic disaster. Help others? Yep. Feed the poor? Yep. Provide support during difficult stretched? Yep. Help your neighbor when they can't help themselves? Yep. Train people to get back up and contribute? Yep. Allow government support to become a way of life? Nope. Provide benefits to people beyond what the private sector public gets? Nope.

43°North

sounds more like a combination of parties, you are a Republicrat if you think like that. R's think the 'poor' live in a different country. And what 'support' would you give? School vouchers? More like criticize your neighbor for accepting food stamps when needed, ignore the poor, turn your back on women's/gay rights, obstruct any and all legislation introduced by the opposite party, and NEVER, EVER work with the opposite party. No?

PeopleAreAmazing

Keep drinking the delicious Kool-aid......

43°North

intelligent response by the right, no?

43°North

by the way, you keep mentioning I am some sort of Democrap, I am not. You know what happens when you assume, but this time it is just you, not me.

PeopleAreAmazing

Yes, nothing here would indicate that you are a tried and true democrat.....nothing at all. I believe I called you foolish. Not a single minded, partisan - democrat. But.........

PeopleAreAmazing

Because they have the capacity to look at a bigger picture than the one they see in the mirror? No?

43°North

R's ONLY see what's in the mirror, period. What's in it for me? Who can I screw to make more money? Who's retirement can I wipe out to get rich? What business can I buy to fire everyone and sell off in parts? Who can I put out of work next to build MY fortune? me, me, me!!!

PeopleAreAmazing

You generalize. When you generalize you look foolish. I'm a Republican. I'm not rich. I'm not trying to screw anyone out of their retirement. I'm not trying to buy a business so I can fire everyone. I'm not trying to put anyone out of work to build my next fortune. You are writing as if you have this supreme knowledge - you're commitment to your Democratic party has made you look really silly - and your comments are so one-sided that they hold no value. Last time I checked, for the first two years of our current presidents term - the Dems (your perfect party) had control of both the White House and Congress. Their solution to our current woes? Enact a health care law that will cost us MORE.....and deliver LESS. That's helping us? I think not. At that time, they should have been focused on helping our economy - building jobs - getting our fiscal house in order so we can work on the longer term, big issues - like healthcare for all. But, nope..... The truth is - both parties have gotten us to where we are. Not Republicans. Not Democrats. Both.

43°North

Healthcare- depends on who US is. If you have a pre-existing condition, it will not cost you more- lucky for you don't have any apparently. But why 'help' those people out, right?

Get our fiscal house in order- Like GB2 did when he baled out the banks & didn't prosecute CEO's because they contributed big $$ to the R's? You seem ignorant yourself.

PeopleAreAmazing

Perhaps you ought to read the last sentence of my post above yours. Good thing Obama care has prescription coverage. Geesh.

RiverViews

43 North - why would any Michigan taxpayer be required to pay taxes to allow teachers (government employees) to receive health care that has a higher cost than Medicare?? The real question is why didn't Snyder have the guts to eliminate this for ALL current teachers. This would eliminate a $45 Billion dollar liability for Michigan taxpayers. Furthermore, why do teachers get full a pension at 30 years of service when the rest of us will need to work till our late 60's to be able to retire? I am all for supporting a good education for our children, but we can no longer hide behind the emotional arguement and recognize the true cost of providing these benefits.

PeopleAreAmazing

RiverViews and Larry! - I agree! Well said.......

LarryD

If we can set the deep desire in teachers to nurture young minds to higher and higher levels aside and look at other issues involved in teaching, I think the following:

I applaud Governor Snyder for his bold moves and fiscal appropriateness. A person considering going into education as a career has to weigh the options of how they will best capitalize on their intelligence, social skills, and ability to motivate people. There was a myth about teaching. It was thought you could exchange your skills for the security of a steady paycheck, good benefits, and a good retirement. The myth said that smart people, that did exactly what the state commanded they do to receive the license to teach, and spent years in college … that they paid for, would have an opportunity to teach and in return be well cared for by their employer.

The facts are that the employers had several years to assess the quality and productiveness of these new teachers and eliminate them for ANY reason if they didn’t measure up. Education is, after all, in the business of assessment. Then, after several years, the teacher wouldn’t be untouchable (as is the common misunderstanding), but gain tenure. Tenure is when one has access to a collective bargaining agreement and can be disciplined and discharged according to agreed upon guidelines. The facts are that the administrators are able to protect the public from teachers that shouldn’t be teaching.

In another line of work, a probationary police officer has the duty to take a human life, under certain circumstances, the first day on the job, even before his or her six months probationary period has expired. It seems a bit more dramatic than teaching a third grader math. Maybe education administrators should ask police administrators how they assess employees, but I digress.

The myth is also based on the idea that if you turned over part of your paycheck to the government they would take care of it, invest it, and make sure there was something there to fund your retirement years. It kind of sounds silly now that I type it out loud. The state pensions and Social Security benefits were both built on this myth.

Don’t you ever wonder why we thought they could handle it in the first place?

Governor Snyder is saying the government can’t afford to pay competitive wages and benefits for talented people. People that could do better in private jobs/practice. He is speaking the truth.

Governor Snyder is saying the government shouldn’t be in charge of planning your retirement. They just aren’t that good at it. He is speaking the truth.

Governor Snyder is saying the government shouldn’t be in charge of your health insurance and well-being. Truth again.

Governor Snyder said, If you are thinking about going into education as a career, you had better know what you are getting into. Good for him.

Someone had to say it and stand up for the truth, dispel the myths. Michigan can’t afford a good educational system.

Thank you Governor.

AtomicRooster

There is this Constitutional Right you have called the Right to Vote. Try and think real clearly in November of 2014 when you go to vote for Governor again in our fine State of Michigan if you really want to give Gov. Snyder 4 more years. Think real hard.

AtomicRooster

I've never heard so many idiotic comments here in my life and it makes me ashamed to be a part of the human race. You're ALL TOO POOR TO BE REPUBLICANS. And if you voted for Snyder in the first place you have ROCKS for brains. Yep you're all REPUBLICANS until you need help. Then you sing a different tune, don't you?

PeopleAreAmazing

Your comments are as ridiculous as your name. Please, spare me the lecture. You have NO idea who I am. What I believe in. Who I help. Who I take care of. You try to come off as if YOU have all of the knowledge.......but you, like others, try to attack without merit - try to preach without a message and try to convince without facts. Stop before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.

AtomicRooster

Yea and like your name is just so profound. NOT! So un-original that it is unbelieveable. Where did you come up with such a name? It should be; I AM SO AMAZINGLY STUPID. And likewise moron, you have no idea who I am nor will you ever have the privilege of ever knowing me. Fool? Within your own realm you have re-defined what a fool is. Conversing with you would be the same as talking to a sock puppet and you have the cranial capacity that of a common caged canary. The more you talk here the bigger fool you make of yourself. The best advice for you is to keep your pie hole shut until you have something intelligent to say which in your case would be never. Have a nice day.

PeopleAreAmazing

I can't even begin to express to you how thankful I am that I don't have the pleasure of knowing you. I'm sure that those in your life are so thankful to know someone with an ego as large as yours. Clearly, you are a gift to our world - and I can assure you - knowing that is enough - knowing you would be way too much.

AtomicRooster

That's the best you can come up with? You are AMAZINGLY STUPID. You definitely have a perception problem. Likewise, I don't have the displeasure of having to interact with a moron such as yourself. God did bless me in areas I was not even aware of. I am sure your co-workers can attest to that, that is if you even have a job. And if you do, your co-workers can only tolerate you in very small doses. When God was handing out brains you thought he said trains and replied; NO THANK YOU. Oh btw, have a nice day....somewhere else.

PeopleAreAmazing

Actually, at this point - I feel sorry for caustic you. Take care - you clearly have issues beyond what can be bantered about on here. Perhaps you should step away from your keyboard for a while - take a break - get some help. Who knows, perhaps a little break may take some of that acidic personality of yours and balance it out. You, my poor soul - are odd. I'm done here. You, and your mightier than thou attitude - can shove it. Adios, Loser!

AtomicRooster

Seeing a whole panel of shrinks are you? When did you become a self-proclaimed psychologist? YOU seriously need to climb down from Mt. Ego. On the contrary, it is I who feels sorry for you. Loser? You are so lame. You think you are some kind of mental giant but you're nothing but a Class A LIGHTWEIGHT who has no other outlet but to shoot off his big mouth and never has anything substantial to say with any significance. Your lips move but no one hears what you're saying. Talk about a loser. It obvious you like to dish it out, but you cannot take it. Start by cleaning out your own backyard before you start cleaning out anyone else's. You need to get over yourself. I am sure if we looked up LOSER in the dictionary your picture would be right next to it. And IF I am a Loser as you say, it's only because you are contagious. Again, get over yourself. I'm done here....LOSER.

truthhurts

way to go Snyder!!! about time! now do the same for government officials and you will have my vote again! thats one tough nerd.

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