It took four departments to put out this fire. Can anyone say how many personnel from each department were on scene. It appears that the City of GH were short personnel again. I will say one thing several years ago the City of GH would of been able to handle this fire themselves. Yes they had mutual aide back then also. But we did not rely on three other departments to respond to a residential fire unless it was really necessary. I can't wait for all the excuses now... Lets see which agencies provided the most personnel and equipment. If all these departments are going to always respond then lets look at a fire authority so everyone is taxed the same.
As a retired Firefighter, I can answer this. It is called automatic Mutual Aide. If there is a confirmed "Working Fire" other departments are called in right away. It's not that they couldn't handle it but a fire like that can be very difficult to fight and can get out of control very fast. When it is cold like it was it makes it even more fatiguing. With a fire like this it is in the walls, attic, floors. You have to do a lot of physical work to get to the fire to contain it and then more to track the hot spots and make sure they are extinguished. It is more about Safety of the Firefighters, Occupants, and neighboring structures than it is about taxation. The departments in this area all train together also, should that be figured into the Taxes too? Not to be a jerk but Please go to one of the local departments and ask them if you can put on the gear to see what it is like. Once you have it on, go run around the block one time. That is best way I can describe to you what it is like.
I have to agree with you 100%. Newspaperlawyer wishes he knew what he was talking about. Being arrogant and big headed is why you do not know what you think you do newspaperlawyer.
I think your diaper needs changing... Quit trying to sell your job to us tax payers. Hopefully the Twp people will see the BS and vote down the upcoming mileage increase for the fire service. I'm tired of paying for services so you can respond to calls in GH City. Grand Haven City was sold the public safety concept and cut out the full time firefighters. They have cut the staff and now rely on mutual aid packs and joint respond to have others pay the tab. So if you all train so hard together then how can you explain the big screw up at the fire on Arlington St. and almost got two Twp FF seriously hurt. The only reason you have joint response for these minor incidents is a bunch of fire chiefs don't want the budgets cut for NO fire calls. I don't think for one minute that their is a need for the local fire departments.. But to what costs do we it get this service for. I certainly have not had a pay raise in three years. Cut in benefits and pay more for health care... How about the employee's. And yes I have worn a Nomex a time or tooooo.
There is no getting through to you. I to have not had a pay raise in quite some time either. And no I am not a career fire fighter. I have a regular day job where I earn a living for my family. Fire fighting is my way of giving back to my community. And if it means going from one end of the county to the other and even into Kent or Muskegon counties I will. Its common practice. Its not all about weather a department can handle a certain call or not. Not all departments have the same equipment as others. I would like to know what reasoning is behind not wanting local departments. You need to be educated, properly I might add. Just because you have worn a "nomex" doesn't make you a expert. We are all far from it but you are way out in left field staring into space.
As a member of one of the 4 departments that was out there last I will say this. Each department had a very good turn out. At least 8-10 personnel from each department. Due to the extreme temps last night that was the reasoning for 4 departments last night. It was also because one department was our dedicated rapid intervention team. Every person on scene last night was busy. If you had just got done doing a job you went to re hab. Keeping people fresh on the fire ground is key. Especially when temps get this low. It was I bet -10-15 out there last night.
This needs to be managed by the city. My husband and I are elderly and disabled and could never keep a hydrant cleared.
I am sure there is some downtime with our fire/ police. Or better, the inmates we are feeding and housing for free. They might benefit from the fresh air.
Actually that's a great idea TCM...instead of them laying around in their cells all nice and warm, put 'em to work and start paying off their debt to society by doing some actual work that will benefit the community.
Last time we were down in South Carolina we rode by a couple of "chain gangs" out raking and mowing the the medians and sides of the road, complete with Bruford T. Justice, a loaded 12 gauge and a couple dogs. Those boys were earning their eventual reentry into polite society.
Now that is one heck of an idea. Why didn't I think of that? But then again the nice OCSD would have to get out of their nice warm building to do it.
Yeah, well from I've seen of the OCSD they could use some exercise too, so it'd be a win/win/win!
I wonder if the city has a schematic available as to where every hydrant in town is located, or is that something that the fire dept. would more likely be in possession of?? I ask because I really don't know who keeps that type of information.
Another thing that the wife just reminded me of....We / the city / whoever, used to attach little flags to the hydrants, like you'd see at Silver Lake, but smaller so in years like this one you could locate the hydrant quickly. I looked at the hydrants around here today and I didn't see any of them with the flag attached. Did that get too expensive to do, or did kids steal 'em, or what?
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