Gun control support

To the Editor: When 90 percent of the American people are in favor of gun control and Congress fails to act accordingly, we, the people, have to act.
Apr 8, 2013

 

Congress is broken. In a democracy, it's up to us to fix it.

The answer to gun violence in schools is not to put more guns in schools, as the NRA and Congressman Bill Huizenga suggest. "In homes with guns, the homicide of a household member is almost three times more likely to occur than in homes without guns" (www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#ownership). The same is likely to be true of guns in schools.

Bill Huizenga is opposed to all gun control. We don't need more killings like the children at Sandy Hook. We have more than 30,000 gun deaths and 70,000 gun injuries each year in the U.S. Are we at war with ourselves? That's more deaths than in Iraq and Afghanistan together!

We need to vote Bill Huizenga out of office to do our share to fix Congress and make it responsive to the will of the people.

— Tom Donahue, Grand Haven

Comments

truthhurts

it is difficult for congress to act on something that limits a constitutional right to all people. You have the right to preach this and I not saying that I disagree with you, but with an encroaching bigger government, i can't help to feel that our government is trying to limit the people from revolting. I don't think there is a clear cut answer to the issues described in the article; but i have to think that the proposed changes will have little effect of gun violence. I do feel that arming a selected few in schools with appropriate training will deter school shootings. It is important to exhaust all potential avenues before infringing on the rights of the citizens.

Wingmaster

"When 90 percent of the American people are in favor of gun control and..." You just lost your arguement with that nonsense. Skewing facts is not going to help you in your gun control debate.

Lanivan

By a margin of 92 percent to 7 percent, voters supported background checks, the Quinnipiac University telephone poll showed. In households with a gun, 91 percent were in favor, while 8 percent were opposed, Quinnipiac said.

Wingmaster

Here we go again...fun with links, cut and paste
http://mobile.reuters.com/articl...

Wingmaster

And in case you don't click on the link (Reuters) - More than 90 percent of U.S. voters supported background checks for all gun buyers, while much smaller majorities were for stricter gun control laws such as bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, said a poll released on Thursday.

Lanivan

You questioned the 90% stat, and I just offered what statistic Tom might possibly have used in his statement.

Wingmaster

READ IT AGAIN...IT SAYS FAVORS BACKGROUND CHECKS NOT GUN CONTROL. For the love of god can we take the lib-lenses off for a second!!!

Lanivan

Calm down. I know. I was just offering the statistic. For the love of guns, let's stay civil.

Wingmaster

Here we go again...fun with links, cut and paste
http://mobile.reuters.com/articl...

truthhurts

the point to debate is the limiting of a constitutional right, which does not matter what 99% of the population thinks, it’s a right to all people period. If we allow obstruction to a fundamental right, where is the line drawn? Maybe 99% of the people want OJ Simpson tried again, but they still can’t do it. Don’t get me wrong, I am all for more stringent background checks, if we the people are willing to pay for it. But what good will it do in 20 years?...probably not much, A) the government sucks at keeping good records and book keeping, B) and criminals that want a gun will continue to go steal a gun. Quit chasing the proverbial tail

Vladtheimp

So, since a large majority oppose Obamacare, it should be repealed, right? Since a large majority oppose comprehensive immigration reform as a form of amnesty, it shouldn't be considered? Right? Since a majority oppose homosexual marriage, it shouldn't be permitted? Right? What's sauce for the gun grabbers is sauce for the rest of us, Right?

Lanivan

Some statistics to back up these assertions would be nice....

H M

I agree, Tom! Guns are out of control in this country. My worry is that it is so easy to obtain them, easy to steal, and end up on the street. I knew a cop who got his gun stolen from his home. If guns are harder to get, there are less to end up on the street.

The Voice

H M
Call your represntatives, your federal and local prosecutors and ASK, BEG, DEMAND that they start enforcing gun crimes! Did you know today that a multitude of criminals lie on federal forms to try and get a firearm but they are not prosecuted?

ask them to re-introduce project exile!! PROSECUTE ALL GUN CRIMES TO THE FULL EXTENT....no PLEA BARGAINS!! Read the stats and history on this it worked wonderfully!

Wingmaster

Automobile deaths are out of control in this country. We need less automobiles. Less cars, less likely someone will die using them recklessly!

Lanivan

No - that is not a common sense solution to auto deaths. We mandate safety features such as airbags and seat belt laws. We set speeds at appropriate levels, based on crash rating research. We establish a mandatory national registry of driver licenses, state fees, and liability insurance to help pay for the financial burden auto injuries incur. We limit who can drive - by age, disability, and past driving records. We require special drivers training certification for truck drivers and drivers of other specialty vehicles. Any infractions in the above carry heavy fines, restrictions, or jail time.

These are common sense steps to control the number of auto deaths and promote auto safety. And this is all on something whose main purpose is to transport, with the ability to kill a secondary consequence. Compared to guns, whose sole purpose is to kill something - whether it be an animal, a circle in the middle of a sign, or a child.

The Voice

Driving a car is not protected in the Bill or Rights....therefore it is a privelege.

dancingliberal

Get rid of all guns or arm everyone.

Whatareyoutalki...

To Lanivan's point,

We license people to drive cars. You must pass both a written and skills course in order to drive. Some believe it's not strict enough, but that's not the point here. I believe that the same should apply to guns. You should be licensed to use the item. Each type of item should have a very specific license type. (much like a CDL or similar)

Will this prevent all the crap from happening. No!
Will it help, probably. It's a solid means to enforce current gun laws while ensuring those folks who have guns are also trained on how to use them. And just like a vehicle license, you need to get checked out on a regular basis. This license should be renewed every 4 years, and may or may not require you to be retested based on random selection or at the discretion of the issuer.
(This btw should all be funded by the gun owners, as they are the ones who wish to purchase the guns)

Doing the above helps to pay for enforcement of current gun laws. Helps to find those with mental issues, and helps to properly educate our gun owners.

FuturaGH

Wingmaster, you make me Proud!

When SHTF let's hear how many people beg their Fellow Countrymen for protection.

Will it be the same people currently outspoken against a well armed populace?

Why would the sheep choose to Arm only the Wolves?

Wingmaster

Tooth, Fang and Claw we must protect our founding constitution from the wolves. Many of our country men and women have given the ultimate sacrifice to do just that. The least we can do is bang heads with the uniformed

Vladtheimp

And see how many people understand that we have a Republic for a reason. To quote a famous saying, Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."

The Voice

It’s extremely hard to have a rational debate with groups who reuse to debate or even identify the real basic issues at hand.

Almost all of the organizations and individuals calling for stricter gun control keep making the statement that we want 'COMMON SENSE' solutions...

Why do people who want gun control, automatically say BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS, BAN MAGAZINES....however say we are not interested in better gun training programs, better funded firearm education, safety, or instilling personal responsibility?

Our own Vice President states on National TV “assault weapons” aren’t really used in crime, but “we need to do something”, so we should ban them.
How is it common sense to target the law abiding peaceable people, for the acts of career criminals and the criminally insane?
So you want, you expect us to listen to you and just give up our Constitutional rights.....because that will make you feel better??
We had a ban for 10 years in this country on 'Assault Rifles’ what did that bill EVER accomplish? 10 years of restricting legal citizens from something and it absolutely did nothing to the crime rates!!!
Senator Feinstein says the same thing and lists not only firearms with plastic molding but many current rifles used by hunters...all because her emotions make her feel as though we should do something.....
Watch the news on any given day and all we see is emotional rhetoric from people and ignorant politicians with no knowledge on the subject, drawing up laws on emotions that are false and full of lies.

The guns used in Newton were not covered under the Assault Weapons ban....before your emotions get out of hand (right, tell me in your mind you weren't screaming what about Newton and Assault Weapons bans...)

CLOSE THE GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE!!!!!
The argument is that guns are sold without background checks and therefore anyone can buy a gun at a gun show.
STATISTICALLY less than 2% of all guns used in crime come from a gun show.....
Do you realize if you create a law to stop private firearm sales at gun shows all you do is kill gun shows?
You don't stop private transactions, because they are still legal!!!! Why are they legal? Because every legal, peaceable citizen needs a purchase permit for to purchase a handgun in Michigan. Theyre are 378,584 legal, peaceable citizens carrying Concealed weapons in Michigan.
What your 'COMMON SENSE' 'conversations do not do is discuss how to control criminals and crime.
Out of 272,111 felons released 68% will return to crime within three years.
These former inmates had been charged with committing at least 2,871 new homicides, 2,444 new rapes, 3,151 other new sexual assaults, 2,362 new kidnappings, 21,245 new robberies, 54,604 new assaults, and 13,854 other new violent crimes
Of 1,662 murders committed in New York City during 2003-2005, more than 90% were committed by people with criminal records

When you’re ready to discuss life in our cities, and societies and how and what we as neighbors can do to make life better for each other and our children, don’t do it by showing up on my doorstep wanting to take my rights away as the first step in you solution. Check your emotions and politics at the door and by all means I’m open to discussing common sense solutions with you on how to control criminals.

~Andy B.

bigdeal

Andy Six??

The Voice

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Wingmaster

Well said, The Voice...of reason!

bunnylou

A lot that you said Andy I agree with. The liberals have been using the "emotional blackmail" as a strong ploy. I strongly wish to have our Second Amendment protected from the evil schemes of the politicians that I believe have "their own agenda to promote" more government and less FREEDOM!!!

bunnylou

A lot that you said Andy I agree with. The liberals have been using the "emotional blackmail" as a strong ploy. I strongly wish to have our Second Amendment protected from the evil schemes of the politicians that I believe have "their own agenda to promote" more government and less FREEDOM!!!

dogbert1918

lets see 16 year olds can own cars, so can convicted felons, spouse abuser, gangbangers, stalkers and on and on.... If you keep your car on private proerty and don't drive it on public streets you can pretty much modify it anyway you want. lets do the same with guns, sawed barrel shotguns, fully automatic guns, grenade launchers....

Lanivan

While you are all spittin' n' sputterin' about Rights, restrictions, loopholes, and the futility of it all, so let's just arm everybody and create a real life armed mob of spittin' n' sputterin' American citizens - 3,000 people have been killed from guns since Newtown. Sorry - try as you might, you can't desecrate that statistic or return the Right to Life, Liberty, and Happiness that has been majorly infringed on to the maimed, permanently disabled, or dead from a bullet(s).

Your arguments are moot. This country has a gun violence problem the likes of which our Founding Fathers would never have envisioned when writing the Constitution (how do I know this? Just recently discovered I happen to be a direct descendent of a writer). We not only need, we must employ common sense, comprehensive methods of putting the brakes on ever-escalating gun violence and gun deaths. We must make a concerted effort to come together and help law enforcement do their jobs. We must, as citizens, take a good, hard look at our methods of identifying and treating the mentally ill, and the insidious degree of gun and violence glorification in our entertainment and media. And we must quit this paranoid, senseless bickering and waging war on each other. While I'm writing this, some other poor soul is laying in a pool of blood, injured or dying from a gun. The thought it might be a child is unconscionable.

As far as I'm concerned, those who argue with this notion are basically spittin' and sputterin' in the faces of our mature, thoughtful, and brilliant Founding Fathers.

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