OUR VIEWS: Music trip is too ambitious

Oct 25, 2012

It’s a time when memories and experiences help shape our young people’s future. It’s a time when kids should be kids, and not be saddled with the financial pressures they will be faced with in their adult years. There is plenty of time for that later.

Studies are a large part of the experience, but there is so much more — athletics, extracurricular activities, part-time jobs, relationships and getting your first car, just to name a few.

Many schools even provide students with the “opportunity of a lifetime” to participate in a school-sanctioned trip, oftentimes costing thousands of dollars. For example, the Grand Haven High School Chamber Choir and Symphony Orchestra are planning an ambitious trip that would take them to Carnegie Hall in New York City, then across Europe.

The projected cost? More than $3,000 per student.

We agree that this would be the trip of a lifetime — but on the other hand, it puts an undue burden on students and their parents to raise the necessary funds to participate. You’re not going to raise that kind of money collecting pop cans and washing cars. Even the most ambitious of fundraising efforts are sure to leave families scrambling to cover half the cost of the trip.

For those who aren’t able to come up with the necessary funding, what impact does it have on them, and how is that perceived among their peers whose families do have the means to support such a trip?

We feel that the harm it can cause would be significant.

There is a tremendous amount of pressure on parents to provide for their children, and this just adds to it.

Every parent wants to give their child every opportunity possible. But at a time when providing the basic needs seems insurmountable for some, we feel the additional pressures caused by these activities is unnecessary.

We applaud the leaders of our youth for teaching our children the concept of reaching for the stars, but we also suggest that we keep things in perspective and operate within realistic means.

A trip to Europe is a tremendous goal. But if it turns out to be too pricy, and fundraising efforts come up short, then perhaps a scaled-down trip would be more appropriate.
We’re sure those who can’t afford a trip across the Atlantic would greatly appreciate a chance to join their classmates and friends on a trip to Carnegie Hall that would certainly be remembered for a lifetime, without having to break the bank to get there.

Our Views reflects the majority opinion of the members of the Grand Haven Tribune editorial board: Kevin Hook, Cheryl Welch, Matt DeYoung, Liz Stuck and Fred VandenBrand. What do you think? E-mail us a letter to the editor to news@grandhaventribune.com or log-in to our website and leave a comment below.

Comments

Lyla

You understand ME little boy. What has been said on here has happened. IT IS THE TRUTH. Names aren't being given because there are other family members in the school district and no way is there going to be any attack on these kids. There is no random trash being tossed out but you little kids sucked up garbage. One of my kids was in orchestra throughout high school and yes, they had to audition for Chamber. That kid was condemned over and over by her, denied solo's because that child didn't have private voice lessons. Excuse me if I'm wrong but we are talking a high school choir here, public at that, and she has the nerve to require private voice lessons for choir? That same child was treated like crap, ripped apart by her in front of other students because they couldn't make it to an evening rehersal for a choir performance and told they were hurting the choir family by not being there and it was more important than their parent working???? Some day you will graduate and grow up. I also stand by my belief that this trip was ludicrist and for Lemon and her daughter's last final hoorah, at the expense of students and their families who might not be able to afford it and probably using last years funds to cut down the cost. Pitiful shame that since last year's groups performances were used for Carnegie Hall and whatever, those students weren't afforded an opportunity for Carnegie Hall (screw Europe).

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

No one cares. This conversation has been over for awhile. Get here sooner next time.

anonanon

How immature and naive. Does not even sound like you respect anyone except yourself. Until you grow up, you shall never be treated like an adult on here.

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

Man, I am striving to be 'treated like an adult' (?) on the tribune website. Stand back everyone, anonanon the hero of GH. The hero it deserves. From behind the computer monitor, our hero. Anonanon will fight diligently against all agents of lemon. Haha. It's too bad we couldn't continue our conversation, pity you had to cut out! You're such a joke. Have fun trolling up a small town cities newspaper site man!

anonanon

sorry, but I actually had a life that was calling. It is called going and getting a family member from work, oh wait a life is that what you do not have?

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

What a family man! I appluad you!

anonanon

You know one thing, I actually have a family I care about. You sound like a selfish piece of trash that has no respect. How do you know anything about respect because you probably do not know what respect is. Until you actually can afford to get a life and look at yourself, grow up.

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

If I had boots, I would be shaking in them. Anonanon - so brave.

anonanon

Yeah you know why, I have a meaning of respect, unlike you.

anonanon

Yeah you know why, I have a meaning of respect, unlike you. Also, if you are a choir student, why are you not in bed so you do not hinder the choir.

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

You can just edit your comment if you wish to add more to it. Teach me how to be brave anonanon. What must I do to be brave?

anonanon

Have respect for people, and stopping being a d-bag

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

Teach me how to respect people and not be a dbag. I want to learn.

Lyla

Yep, and that shows your lack of respect for adults. Not surprising.

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

I really apologise for not buying into your totally false sob story. I don't suck up trash from people such as yourself without ample proof. Sorry lyla my darling, but I only respect adults who are respectable. But continue with whatever females in their middle age do at 11:30 at night in the internet.

proudparent3

How sad it is to see such disgusting waste of youth (jack). I have sat here and read all that has been posted and agree with those that don't agree with this trip. Listen here ingrate, no person has any right to say or treat a student the way that teacher does. I have watched 2 of my own siblings go through hell because of her and have watched others as well. It is disgusting for her to think she can do what she pleases and maybe it should be taken straight to the board of education for the lack of teacher etiquette. You however deserve to be shown how to respect an adult because apparently YOU DON'T KNOW THE MEANING OF IT. It's sad to think students like you and other GH students on here who back such a disgraceful person will be the next generation out of the school. Grow a pair and open your own eyes. SOCIETY IS BASED ON KEEPING UP WITH THE JONESES AND IT'S TIME PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT ASPECTS IN LIFE THAN THIS. I've been to Europe, hell I lived there! Yes it is a trip of a lifetime but to do what that teacher has done, I'd be the first in line to show her scoldihg if she ever did that to one of my children! Grand Haven is against bullying and yet you support that!

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

Nice word choice. Ingrate is a good one. I'm writing this one down. Also slow down on the caps lock.

proudparent3

Before you run your mouth pipsqueak, why don't you actually ASK your classmates how they truly feel and listen to the parents that have valid points. Last I knew your still a child and a brainwashed one at that. Pull your head out of your teachers rear for goodness sake and take a good look around you. If you actually did maybe you'd understand we're in a recession and not everyone can pay her $500 a month for this. Let alone if students and parents have paid and now can't go, they should be refunded.

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

I'm going to be honest with you here. I'm going to say it now. I don't care if people are getting pushed around by anyone, including teachers. I don't care how people 'feel'.I don't care if people are wasting their money on this stupid trip, and I don't care about what you have to say. I'm here to sing, screw everyone and everything else. Stop acting like I'm championing Lemon's cause. I'm not even going on the trip for god's sake. I don't respect people who don't stand up to bullies, especially if that bully is a state employee, and I don't repspect people who can't use the right form of 'your/you're'. If you can't afford it, fundraise. If you don't like or tolerate lemon, don't join. Lemon said all money except the initial good faith payment can be refunded. So if you wanted it refunded, do it. To be honest with you, I was only here to rile up the already unintelligent and brutal people who call themselves 'adults' who come here to talk crap about a teacher they can't even face, let alone email, I'm sure.

proudparent3

Like you would? For some reason I get the feeling you yourself wouldn't even stand up fagainst her. And on the note about being refunded, no. Not a single student who has said they can't go and have paid has been refunded. If you paid any lick of attention you would know that's one issue that has been brought up on here quite a few times little boy. All money that has been given or raised goes in a pot and split between those who ARE going. Why don't you stop and actually thoroughly READ every post instead of causing trouble.

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

I was refunded. And with standing up to Lemon, I don't think I have ever had a confrontation because there is nothing to have a conflict about. I'm quitting one of her choirs next tri to take a class, and not once was there ever a need to confrot her. Maybe I'm just really cool and awesome.

Megan MacLeod

You are really cool and awesome, Jack. Go Jack, go.

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

Ball so hard record labels wanna sign me. TBH, I just can't take these people serious anymore. They are so funny!

appleorchard

And what kind of example are you setting for this generation of "disrespectful youth" by attacking them via the internet? How would having an adult call them names make them want to be more respectful towards adults? I know that they should have more respect, but still, this is so NOT the way of helping them realize that.

proudparent3

Practice what you preach. That's all I have to say to you.

appleorchard

I am respectful of others, all I am pointing out is that you, my friend, should practice what you preach. Don't tell people to be respectful of others when you yourself are not.

proudparent3

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained personal attacks. Discussion Guidelines

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

So brave

appleorchard

I'm not going on the trip, I was part of the graduating class last year. I don't agree with the trip, I think it is too expensive and I agree that the parents should most definitely have a voice. A better choice would have been to stay in the US and go to NY or Chicago. I'm not saying that I am perfect, I am young and still have much to learn. Thank you for your service, and I am truly sorry that I was disrespectful I was not trying to be.

J4ckanddab34nst4lk

I still find your name hilarious.

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