Pronto Pups

More than a dozen people stand in line waiting to purchase Pronto Pups on Tuesday, July 14. 

Pronto Pups owner Carl Nelson said his staff was fearful to come back to work due to backlash received following a politically charged and profanity-laced tirade posted on the Grand Haven business' Facebook page Monday night.

The post — and the page — were quickly deleted, but that didn’t stop many people from snapping screenshots of the comments before they disappeared.

Carl Nelson

A screenshot of Carl Nelson's now-deleted controversial post on Facebook.

(18) comments

Vladtheimp

Lanivan

1. Here's a clue for you - The German National Socialists (Tribune won't let me use their name) under Adolf were Socialist Fascists.

2. You obviously don't know the meaning of "provenance" in connection with your wild claims about masks; it means documented or authenticated (science) rather then the meandering opinions of Queen Antifa, no matter how highly she holds herself in regard.

Lanivan

1. It's quite amazing how much you know about "those people" from Germany, 1930's-40's and currently as Trump supporters, whom he calls "fine people"! I learn so much from you! 2. I'm sure, by exercising those superior brain cells of yours, you can find scads of information of the use of masks, and certainly don't need little 'ole me to help you! And, by the by, yes!, I'm most certainly anti-fascism. I honor the extreme suffering and sacrificing of our brave military and civilians in beating back fascism in WWII - I'm not about to glorify it now, as some are doing. Disgraceful.

edwards1

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion , or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech"

Vladtheimp

The true Fascists among us, exemplified by Queen ANTIFA, would either force the silence of opinions contrary to their own by Government fiat or suppress free speech through intimidation and the Cancel Culture.

"Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech." Benjamin Franklin

"When even one American - who has done nothing wrong - is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth - then all Americans are in peril." Harry S. Truman

We can't let minor tyrants destroy the United States of America through bullying, be it on Twitter, Facebook, the New York Times, the Grand Haven Tribune, The City Council or Whitmer's Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs.

The rioters, arsonists, murderers, Leftists, racists, and urban politicians don't represent America - we do - and we have to prove it in November.

Molon Labe

Lanivan

This stream of consciousness brought to you by a King Leonidas wannabe. I haven't read of a single person demanding Carl Nelson quit expressing himself. It's his attitude and beliefs that are outrageous to many, and he covered all the bases with his "rant" (his word), especially those that have been proven to cause sickness, suffering, death or lifelong health complications to millions of people - ie, refusing to wear a mask as a businessman in the public realm, with employees in constant contact with the public. Yes - they can be uncomfortable, and his kitchen, like many others, does not lend themselves to comfort and masks. Each of us has caveats involving mask-wearing to some degree. C'est l'guerre!

Vladtheimp

Apparently you don’t know what “stream of consciousness” means, which is hardly surprising.

Exposing how Socialist Fascists kill free speech is accurate.

Unless you question the quotes I provided your reply is ludicrous.

Perhaps you can provide some provenance for your own stream of consciousness claim that “especially those that have been proven to cause sickness, suffering, death or lifelong health complications to millions of people - ie, refusing to wear a mask as a businessman in the public realm, with employees in constant contact with the public” – don’t scramble to find in the CDC – it’s contrary to 40+ years of its research (maybe you can find the claim in Wuhan)

You’re right – it’s war – between freedom and Socialist serfdom – may the best man win. . . .

Lanivan

Ok, you're a Leopold Bloom wannabe - there, fixed it for ya'. I know you like to slur your words, but your made-up term "Socialist Fascists" has about as much meaning (or relevance to the topic) as declaring Trump a supporter of Egalitarianism Populism. Or something like that. As to your provenance dig, it's quite simple. Carl Nelson accidentally bore his soul in a tirade about hating to wear a mask. After all the negative uproar, he regrets it and apologizes, sorry he got caught. As the owner of a business that serves the general public and employs workers who work together in close quarters, this attitude could very well spread the virus to not only themselves but to others, who in turn could spread it throughout the community. Of course, you couldn't possibly be arguing against the fact that this is a highly aggressive virus that brings on a great deal of sickness, suffering, death, of lifelong health issues, and can be largely contained by wearing masks! This is the most basic of all preventative instruction regarding this pandemic and others throughout the world. Carl Nelson's freedom of speech is intact, but now he must face the consequences of that right. And the war I was referring to was far more immediate than your specious, irrelevant "freedom serfdom socialist fascist" harangue....it is the war between a virus, those who wish to vanquish it, and those who wish to display their selfishness and callousness towards them.

riverman

I am not a cancel culture person, but remember he is getting a sweet deal from the city on one of the most expensive pieces of real estate in the city. YET he does not understand privilege. Maybe someone needs to explain to him that some may feel that he is taking advantage of having the social equity of a father that was mayor to maintain an unfair advantage in the marketplace. If he does not understand that he has privilege, the city needs pull the nipple from his mouth and be fair to all of the tax payers in the city and allow open bidding on the lease for the area he occupies. If he wants fair...give it to him.

Vladtheimp

Snort - so you got triggered by speech that resonates with many, that had nothing to do with 'privilege', that was so helpfully publicized by the editors of the Tribune, and you suggest the City should take a second look at his lease?

No, you're not a Cancel Culture person except when you are.

riverman

Actually I think the people of Grand Haven should understand all of the sweetheart leases the city has. My all time favorite is the beach parking lot leased for pennies to a restaurant. Many other “private” parking lots exist that are actually owned by the city near the beach. If you don’t see the privilege and entitlement that is ok. From a philosophical level, I am curious if you are ok with the government that chooses the winners and losers? You can decide what ism that is. I will give you a hint...it does not start with capital. Do you know how much the Nelsons pay in rent? Has anyone been able to bid on that location? This has bothered me for a long time...so am I triggered by a guy complaining about the government and society who is in essence getting a discount because his daddy was the mayor??? Sure!!!

Vladtheimp

The fact is you haven't written in this forum or the old Tribune Forum, to my knowledge, until you were offended by this particular speech; thus the Free Speech analysis.

I don't know how you have so much knowledge about the contracts between the City and its Lessees, but if you have it legitimately you should provide the actual dollar figures or a link to them. E.G. What is the square footage of the Prontopups lease so we mere mortals can figure out the value of the space for use for other purposes.

The law of holes may be something you might consider.

Rottweiler

So now you are calling Carl an alcoholic...goodness how low can you get Lanivan?

Lanivan

I said no such thing, Rottweiler. Why ever would you jump to that conclusion or even comment on it unless it made sense to you?

Rottweiler

Ignore the haters it is a First Amendment issue. Lanivan does another great hatchet job of linking your comments to her political views....Yawn.

Lanivan

I'm sure there must be some medical term for someone who likes to exhibit their ignorance and low self esteem, over and over again, publicly, being held up to ridicule, but I don't know it. Actually, I was holding back in my comment......it strikes me that Mr. Nelson has a big problem, and he may have done damage to himself, his business, and his staff. My unsolicited advise? Stay out of the liquor cabinet and think twice before you hit the "post" button. His fascist screed is all over FB - what a mess.

Lanivan

Mr. Nelson's rant illustrates the extreme and dangerous delusions of the far right wing of the Republican party. In this case, his false beliefs that masks are useless, and the Covid-19 pandemic is nothing more than a democrat hoax (all pushed by Trump) is dangerous to his staff, customers, himself and his family. His complaining about his business, although understandable, shows another selfish side to the rant - most all businesses everywhere in the US are negatively, and in many cases catastrophically. He's not alone, and not adhering to the recommendations of using masks, washing hands frequently, and distancing is only going to keep this aggressive virus - one for which there is still no cure or vaccine - running rampant throughout our community and keeping the health restrictions in place for a very long time. This isn't a 1st amendment argument - it's a public health crisis. Politicizing it as Trump and his followers have has only made it all worse. Many local businesses have had to shut down temporarily because a staff person has picked up the Covid-19 virus......your business may be next Mr. Nelson. Rant all you want, but I have to say that I will postpone my purchase of Pronto Pups until next summer when I hope it will be safer.....and maybe your extreme political views and business acumen will not merge as they are now. But as of right now, with Mr. Nelson's attitude, I'm not holding my breath

riverman

So, just how much is he paying in rent to the city for the space he is using. Maybe the city should consider charging the market rate to him....unless he feels that he is entitled to a discount because it has been in the family....

Rottweiler

Keep the faith Carl. It's still a free country and you are entitled to your opinion.

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